Need Advice For Packaged Home Alarm Purchase

Then the awards are given for good products and good service?

Mike

Mike ,

What area do you live in ? I can help you if you need any help. feel free to contact me i work for ADT and i will help you the best i can.

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vic

What is flipping paper? Selling LT contracts? Mike

Mike, "flipping paper" is a slang term used to describe the practice of locking a client in to a long term contract and then selling the equity built in to it to some other company or person. It's a reasonably common practice probably more prevalent within the ranks of the small to medium companies. I suspect the practice is far more common within the ranks of the "lick and stick" mini system companies who's primary interest is running primarily a quick, money making operation versus maintaining a long term security company.

Regardless, if you are one of the customers in question, you start on day one with your company of choice and end up with some other company (good or bad) that you didn't choose to deal with.

RHC

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If it can be hardwired then choose that option. $70 for a wireless sensor is actually a pretty decent price considering your market. I'm curious as to why the sales rep didn't mention fire, or if he did why you didn't consider it? IMO fire is the most important part of a security system. If the average crook thinks you have an alarm system he will break into another house instead. The crook doesn't know what is protected and what's not so rather than gambling with your house he'll pick off your neighbor who doesn't have a system. Fire on the other hand doesn't care if you have a system or not. Fire will strike wherever it wants, and whenever it wants. If your budget is tight then reduce the burg side of the system and add fire. Remember Mike, all systems can be added to at a later date so you don't have to go for the full monty now if it's going to hurt you financially to do so. Don't let the salesman sell you what HE wants you to buy. Buy what you can and try to cover all bases as best you can. If you really like this company you just sat with, and if your budget is topped out at 650.00 then ask the rep to swap the keyfob for a smoke. At least it's a starting point and you won't regret it.

Best of luck,

Tom

Mike wrote:

This is a perfect example of the type of misleading comments you frequently make. "Owned" and "offered"?? Uh-huh... sure. You started your alarm company in 1980, and moved to Florida in 1999. How many of those "24 years" did you actually "offer" anyone "two options for monitored accounts"? How many of those "24 years" did you actually

Uh-huh... and what was the "renewal clause" in your contract??

Interesting. I use a ULC listed independent monitoring station. My overheads for monitoring are fixed every month. They don't rise or fall, I don't have to the headaches associated with staffing, certification, licensing (they handle all that). My monthly fee is $15.00 (and that's Canadian dollars). We have a three year contract that locks in the rate for that term. Not one customer has ever commented negatively on any aspect of the agreement (even the Judges and Lawyers we provide service to).

Yours offered???

BWahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Sure, Bass... sure...

Heh... Not in a million years.

Given the scope of your lies in Usenet I wouldn't be at all surprised that this was another Bass Fable... Since you know so much about this particular contract, how about posting the details. Leave the amounts in, scratch (or cover) the customer information.

Uh-huh... shure...

DST, I've learned a lot about alarms and the security business from reading the posts in this newsgroup. I want to thank everybody who has taken the time to post constructive messages to the tthread I started. Clearly, many of the posts were revealing "insider information" Information that I would have unlikely ever read anyplace else. My take on flamers, bullies, thugs are the same on the street as they are in newsgroups - ignore them. It's unfortunate when these types disrupt a legitimate newsgroup such as alt.security.alarms.

Mike

My intention is not to convince you to do anything ........ except trying to decieve end users who come here into believing that what you say is viable. It certainly is POSSIBLE, but highly unlikely that they are going to find anyone who runs their business in such an ........ shall we say ...... comparitively non-economically sound manor. Regardless of the fact that term contracts do not directly serve the consumer, they certainly indirectly benefit them by allowing a company to build a financially sound and viable orgainzation based on a proven business plan, with incentive and corporate benefits, established on sound and practical business practices. Thereby helping insure that the company continues to be there for the benefit of the consumer. Whether you agree with that or not is of moot concern. The majority of business owners and industry pundits do. And in the overall scheme of things .......they count and you don't.

Likewise ...... as long as you continue to mislead consumers into thinking that they should expect to find month to month agreements, I will continue to advise them by giving them the FULL story rather than using your style of abbreviated and diversionary critique and in the process besmirching the reputation of hard working dealers, who've got enough sense to establish their businesses in a sound economical manner.

Signed "The WHITER knight" :-=BB

Thanks,

Mike

Oh and by the way, I notice that when you can't refute what I post, you find it convenient to not respond.

Yeah, as someone coming here from the position of trying to learn all you can, I can imagine it must be difficult to know who's telling you the straight goods and who has an axe to grind. Read all the posts carefully and follow your gut instincts. This newsgroup is filled with a lot of good people even though we don't appear to much like each other at times, and we very much disagree over certain specific points, and even about business approaches. But dig through the crap and you should get decent answers to most of your questions.

We're a rummy, hard headed bunch of farts, but we wish you well in your shopping and your choice of suppliers....

R.H.Campbell Home Security Metal Products Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Nah, you hard headed old fart...:)) You don't believe anything I tell you, so why bother answering. Your mind is made up, as is mine. If any customer looks hard enough, he can find companies that do business that way (whether you believe it or not...). And saying the same thing over again and again doesn't convince me, so who are you talking to....:))

Go right ahead and tell 'em they should lock themselves in when there is often no need.... if they buy it, then so be it ! But they're gonna get BOTH sides from me, and they can make up their own mind......

Now do us both a favour and let the thread die.... (at least until next time.....)

RHC

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I'll ask about hard wiring. The sales rep did mention fire ie, heat sensors. Sorry Tom, I have not mentioned it in my postings. Correection - I didn't ask about fire when I talked with the ASG rep. B & A companies mentioned fire to me. I went into this budgeting up to $1,000.00.

After you do the Google search Robert's suggested, do one with the words "Robert L Bass Liar" and see what get... happy reading.

It's been an interesting experience participating in this newsgroup. I believe I've got a handle on who I should take seriously.

Thanks,

Mike

I've learned consumers need to go into an alarm system with their ducks in order, Bob None of my immediate friends have an alarm system. On my block I don't see any alarm company signs in front lawns. I'll keep looking.

Mike

I'm not surprised, although I know you have (had ?) one until recently. I don't think alarm system penetration is nearly as dense in Ottawa as most places in the USA. I'm actually surprised, because in spite of the fact that we don't have near the violent crime rate as the US, we DO have a very heavy rate of break and enters ! Either that, or the alarmco's up here haven't done as good a job as they should in promoting the benefits of security systems.

After 12 years in this business, I am even more convinced of the importance of good physical security for a home. I did a takeover the other day, and in the course of doing my usual "audit" of the home, I advised the client to improve things like the front door strike, patio door bar and basement window bars. I also impressed upon him the importance of putting his decals on right away. Well wouldn't you know it, the kids entered through his basement window three days later, and cleaned him out of all of his wife's jewelry. The alarm worked as it should, but in that very short period between the time the alarm went and the cops arrived, they'd done their dirty deed ! The alarm sure didn't scare them much; just made them work a little quicker !! Had there been bars there, (or maybe even just the stickers he forgot to install), they either wouldn't have bothered to tamper with the window at all, or more likely, opened it, and not spent the time to destroy the bars, and simply run off. Nobody can really know, but he called me back to do the complete job (including a home safe) after that (you know, "close the gate after the horse has gone"....:(((..)

I hate it when that happens; no news is sometimes good news in this business.....:((

Anyway, drop over some time soon for a cold one. It will be good to see you again in person. I'll continue to refer any medical business that comes my way over to you. Also, if you want any ADT Ademco takeovers, I give loads away; might as well send some your way too....

RHC

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