Florida Statute According to RLB

junk like Sonitrol panels that no one else can service. You

position and I also understand Bob's. (No one understands Jim

unusable panel that has been locked out it's up to the

the panel is. If it's fully paid for, I agree that it's the

They are providing service to person in possession of the

He asks the mechanic to fix his car because the alarm is

paid for it. He fixes the alarm so the customer can use his

owner to persue the matter with the police. In the case of an

the errant client in court.

The yankees were blown out last year, Eli's made a mess of the Giants, and Hillary is his senator. I'm afraid the pressure is getting to him. js

And of course Bloomberg as mayor couldn't be helping any

I'm not quite certain about the first sentence but he seems to be saying that alarm users are ecstatic prostitutes. Not being familiar with his customer base, I can neither confirm nor deny that statement.

As best I can tell, the gentleman also thinks we're pals. For some reason he also thinks you're nude. Apparently he doesn't know that you always wear a tank top. :^)

Happy "newd" year, Tom.

RHC: Actually, the reality is, I can swear like a trooper when the situation warrants it. But this is a newsgroup haunted by professionals, and conducting yourself accordingly is in keeping with what the newsgroup is (or should) be about. Existing customers of mine, and even some potential ones have been known to lurk here, and I don't want to come across to them as a foul mouthed lout ! We have a couple of them here already.

When I was young, I worked for the US Air Force in Goose Bay, Labrador. In those days, a lot of young, black men from Mississippi and Alabama worked up there. Back in those days (mid 60's), the armed forces were pretty much the only opportunity they had to escape from abject poverty and racial bias. Most couldn't even read or write to any meaningful degree. But they COULD swear ! Even now, fifty years later, I have to watch myself. It's a bad habit that's too easy to fall back in to !!

Like I've said, I'm here ONLY to discuss security issues and debate points of disagreement like we are doing here, but in an intelligent way. Sure I have my hot buttons, and I'll continue to warn clients against the industry practice of restrictive, multi year contracts when they are not paying down a system. And yes, I'm an opinionated old SOB (like RLB has said several times), but who the hell isn't in this newsgroup. I've worked in three or four different industries in my life, and frankly, I've yet to find another industry that is as full of hard headed, opinionated, and somewhat inflexible people as ours is. But so be it, 'cause I sure fit right in !!!!!

RHC: Depends. Look at the computer industry. You have hackers for many reasons - some bad, some good. It depends upon the circumstances and the motive. You have hackers that break into databases for criminal intent. And you have hackers who form companies to hack into things to make the necessary changes so that the bad guys can't hack in. Ask Microsoft about that.....:)))

RHC: You forget, I am a locksmith. And yes, you would never > > > IF the customer signed a contract agreeing that at all times the panel

RHC: I don't unlock Ademco boards at all. I have nothing to do with them in my business. I also understand they can only be locked via download software. I hand ADT takeovers that involve Ademco equipment to someone else, and the feedback I get is they are never locked anyway. And if they were ADT proprietary boards, I suspect when they go to put it on line with their station, they'd find that out immediately, since they would be useless. So there really is no issue with this kind of thing.

RHC: As I've said, I don't and wouldn't unlock any board that is clearly the property of someone other than the supplier of the board. We agree totally on that point. However, the glitch is in how do you prove ownership, and that is a bit of a grey area. But given the people who bulk ship to me, I take their word that nothing illegal is happening.

You and I can split hairs all day. I don't totally disagree with your intent, and you and I agree with the ethics of the situation. But the reality is that the industry abuses this feature just as often as they use it legitimately. I only deal with the bad uses of it.

I think at this point, you and I will have to agree to disagree on this point. Always good talking to you Tom....

Obviously you choose to ignore the nearly trillion dollars spent annually in the trafficking of illegally obtained and unlocked alarm control boards. This is a high profile crime don't you know? This is a wretched industry that deserves to be stomped out. First it is unlocking alarm panel, then it leads to hard stuff like unlocking and hijacking airliners. By the way how much do you charge again?

Glad to see some humour in this thread.....this discussion was getting a bit heavy....

RHC

RHC: I thought that was exactly what I was saying but coming at it from the other direction....:))

RHC: What I think you meant was " it's a shame that people have to resort to locking boards. I'ts bush league"....no disagreement there...

RHC: Cause you said it yourself, this is a penny pinching business. Why else would most companys install the cheapest s*it motions that they can when for a few bucks more they can install a far better one..

RHC: Cause you said it yourself, most people in certain market segments won't spend a bloody dime on their alarm system, and these are the same folks who scream like hell when things go wrong, or who try to chisel you out of your alarm decals.

RHC; Cause not every company has your business philosophy and ethics. If they did, nobody would have to unlock boards at all. But then, which industry is perfect.

RHC: Yup ! I thank the Good Lord daily I never got in the low end market !!

RHC: Yeah, I agree, it's pure maliciousness, and they do it because they can easily get away with it. It's called human nature sinking to the lowest common denominator. I had a Denver police lieutenant call me one day intrigued by the whole business of locking boards. Unfortunately we didn't get to talk much but he implied to me he was going to do something about it within his state. Never heard back from him though....

RHC: And you too you SOB. Gawd, I can't wait to see how crusty you get when you get to be my age....wait....I won't be around to see that....damn. .

OUCH! Must be like getting hit over the head with a crowbar once a week.

js

Lol, I didn't like Perot but my step-dad did although he never could say why