Well this is the third time I've tried to post this, without success. Sorry for the delay in response.
I don't think you'll have the time nor be able to actually get the "feel" of what's happened here over 6 years, but you're certainly welcome to try.
That wasn't any attempt to degrade him or call him names. I was simply trying to describe what kind of a person he is.
Well, I can understand that you wouldn't know that for about a year, when I first came to the group, I really tried to lay back and let him do his dirty deeds. In spite of the fact that people from groups that he'd previously disrupted had "found" him in ASA and constantly posted what he'd done to people in other groups, and in spite of what I saw him doing to others here. But, at every turn, there was always the arrogant attitude. He was right, everybody else was wrong. He'd dishonor installers, belittle anyone who disagreed with him. Constantly direct end users to his web site to buy from him and just plain acted belligerent and nasty to anyone who opposed him. He was going to do what ever he wanted to do regardless of what anyone else thought was right or not. Even so far as telling Steve Rykman the founder of the group that he didn't have any say in interpreting the FAQ with regard to selling in ASA.
It's not about end users coming here and getting free information. It's about him degrading people and the installation trade so that he can sell to them. Everyone here gives information to end users and to each other, freely, but he USES that, along with his lies to make a profit. That's wrong. No if and's or but's. It's wrong.
I don't really care if you believe what I'm saying or not. I'm offering
what I believe to be a way to make it unprofitable for him to spend his time here. You seem to be offering a way to write more words that every one else is supposed to adhere to but that he will ignore. And no doubt ignoring him will be the decree of your masterpiece. It aint gonna happen.
You've obviously not noticed that no one is interested in selling anything to anyone here except Bass. So what does "reputation" have to do with anything. Also you haven't noticed that no one knows who I am and surely, never will. Fortunately, unlike some of Bass' victims, ( going "real life" with them), I was smart enough to keep my identity anonymous from the very beginning. However, it's been observed by all that he's made some attempts at finding out who I am and also Frank has experienced the same thing. He's made reference to where I might be located by mentioning towns that he's sure I live in. Were he to locate me, I have no doubt that he'd be telling lies about me to suppliers, associations, and I suspect he'd locate neighbors too. He's stated here and in other groups that he likes to do this to people that disagree with him.
It's not the information that's in question. It's not even differences in opinions about the information. It's the means that the information was obtained. It's the lies about his experience. It's the derision that he's displayed in obtaining it. It's the innuendo about installers. It's the menacing of people with the threat of going real life with them if they oppose him. It's the actual selling here in ASA. It has absolutely nothing to do with who is giving good information or not. It's the exploitation and derision that precedes it and from which it's derived.
The only thing that he's ever done to me is steal a post describing a technique and put it on his web site un-accredited. As if it were his idea. Other than that I believe I feel just as everyone else does here that he EXPLOITS the installation trade, this group and the people in it, to make a profit. I've decided that I will oppose what he does here. I will do exactly what he does to the group. If chaos abounds because of him and people wont openly oppose him then they can't object to anyone else doing the same thing ..... now can they...... More chaos among chaos can't be complained about.
I don't sell anything here and I wouldn't sell to anyone here. I come here to offer the knowledge of my over 35 years of experience in this trade and to learn what I can. And I thought that I would have access to a wider range of ideas, not existing locally. One of the things I used to tell newcomers to the group, who commented on the chaos, was .... To stick around. Make a decision either to participate in the chaos or not. But either way, if you pick through the manure, you're likely to find some diamonds. And it's true. So, in short I really don't give a damn if you'd buy from me or not since I've got nothing to sell to you.
Though you're free to pick up diamonds wherever you might find them.
I can only answer you in one way.
This is an alt group. You can't tell anyone what to do here. You don't control this group or anyone in it. If you don't like it you can leave.
You catch on how that works now? Neat huh?
See above ..... Ditto
Damn. I thought for sure I'd get a higher mark than Bass. Sigh! I guess I just have to try harder.
Syl, you've got to understand. As long as Bass disrupts the group, and incites altercations, there are going to be people who will protest
loudly and long at what he does to them. New people are coming here all the time and mostly ultimately leave after a few run ins with Bass, or disagreeing with someone about what is occurring in this group. So whether I continue to openly chastise Bass or not, chaos will continue with others, as long as he remains relentless in his quest to exploit this group. If no one ever says anything about him to anyone coming here for help or advice there's no doubt that it will encourage him to continue. For whatever my vociferous opposition may or may not do, it will at least get the attention of the unsuspecting, so that perhaps they'll take a second look and have second thoughts about doing business with such an unsavory person. If everyone were to make a post showing their opposition to Bass, every time he tried to post, he would have no credibility with anyone who came here and then would have no reason at all to stay except stubbornness. Also and after all,
it cannot be considered simply a coincidence that most of the regulars here, have, will, and do oppose what he does here. So if he's gong to continue doing what he does, ( whether he's ignored or outwardly opposed) .... I'd rather it be that he continues it while making fewer sales than if everyone remained silent.
However ...... I do see in this thread that you are trying to do something else to try to "smooth the waters" It will be interesting to see what comes of it. I'd be willing to try something new but I have to say that in the face of what we've dealt with in the past, more words are not going to have any effect on his conduct. And I'll tell you right now, if it works and he DOES cooperate, so will I. If he doesn't ..... it's gonna be the SOS again. You can count on it. If he never returns and your "charter" is agreed upon, by the participants of ASA, it'll be a great thing for ASA and I'll embrace it with every bit of cooperation that I can muster.