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wouldn't know that. As a long time Napco dealer I know that

You no *nothing* about me and you can only *assume* I'm not a "Napco Dealer".

Speaking for the manufacturer now, are you?

Common decency? Flordia State Statutes? The Group's "FAQ"?

You might have noticed that I did, but then, you don't read well.

Yes, I'm sure every one is aware that if you just ignore someone who's breaking the law, it's a lot easier just to turn away and not say anything, than it is to point it out to someone. Especially if it's someone who makes it his personal goal to entice end users to buy parts from him by deriding installers and lying about his experience in the alarm trade and by stealing information from people to enhance his appearence to end users.

However .....That being the case with Bass .....,then "I say" we should point out everything that this miscreant does that's wrong and is, or is boadering on illeagal. I can think of no better way of helping this guy out, then by answering his questions and also pointing out the dangers of him doing business with someone who lies, cheats and steals information from people and distributes proprietary programs to endusers. Then if the end user should want to purchase equipment or needs direct help, he can decide with ALL the information about the product and the person who's offering help, if he really wants to do business with someone guilty of this kind of conduct.

That's what "I" think helping the customer is.

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ouldn't know that. As a long time Napco dealer I know that

You're no more a Napco "dealer" than any other alarm company who want's to buy the equipment. And you don't know any about it even if you do constantly say that you do. You've never explained how you programed that keypad to take more than 16 characters per line. You got caught in another lie and you just choose to ignore answering ....... Neat ...... heh heh heh heh!

All you know about Napco equipment is what you read in the manuals. It's been about three years since Napco made some changes to their wireless line. You still don't know what it was. You haven't installed for years and you've lost touch with the new equipment and you're still trying to convince people that your and "expert". We know what kind of an expert you are. You're and expert liar, cheater, thief, and expoloiter.

icrosoft (how did they get added to this flame?) or

The Napco program says that it is not for end user use and you give it to end users.

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You criticized another poster earlier for not "reading" what the OP said. I'll return the favour.

The OP stated:

"I tried to download the software from your site, but had some problems."

You obviously have access to the dealer programing. Since the problem occured after you were in the dealer programing mode, it seems only logical to think that you did something that you're not aware of while you were programing.

My suggestion would be to first power down the systems. Let it sit for a minute or so and then power it back up. First apply AC power and then apply the standby battery. Check the system and see if you are still experiencing the problems you are describing.

If so: I'm going to assume that you're programing the system via kepad. If you're doing the program through the keypad, it's more likely that you screwed something up than if you were using a computer with the propritary Napco program. If you have the Napco program then it should be easy to locate the problem and I would suspect that you wouldn't need anyones help.

I'm thinking that when you programed by hand, when you tried to change the "chime 2" programing, you may have entered some data in a normally non used area of the program. So in order to be sure that everything is where it should be I have bad news for you. You're going to have reset the system back to factory defalut and hand enter all the data again. If I recall, (but I could be wrong on this) not all versions of the 3200 could be reset to defalut or at least it wasn't in the manual. If there isn't any instruction in the manual, let me know what version chip you have and I'll let you know if there's a way to default it.

My bet is that there is nothing wrong with the panel, you just entered data in the wrong area or powerd the system down while it was in the program mode or something like that.

By the way, Mr Bass would like nothing better than to have you send back a working board to him, so he could charge you for the replacement. Watch out for this guy. He's got a terrible reputation in this Newsgroup and with his local BBB.

Oops! It's possible he jiminexed up the thing. In that case, all he needs is the free software and a PCI-MINI interface. It cxan be programmed by keypad but the procedure is non-intuitive and it is easy to mess up. It's much better with the software.

YEP. I lock every panel. But, I will unlock them if they want to leave AND they don't owe me any money.

| > Sounds like programming to me... | | contrary to what RLb says this is why most dealers change programming codes. | so the user doesn't f up the system | |

ditto

I have paid enough lawyers to know that I do NOT know what is legal and what is not legal in these areas. I know I see all sorts of warnings posted like "not responsible for windshield dammage" or "Not responsible for injuries caused by" (fill in the blank). Well that is nice for a big company to put there to try and protect themselves, but in legal terms it means less than nothing. They are responsible for certain tort claims no matter what signage they put up to the contrary. I don't if what Napco posts about their software is used as a smoke screen, or if what they post is real policy. Pointing out the obvious is the fact that they do nothing about it when it is done right under their nose. Nevertheless, I am not the one doing it. I can't make any assumptions, approvals, disapprovals or take any other actions on Napco's behalf. I believe you believe what you saying about this being illegal (or shady) is true, but you don't have any legal credentials to back up that view, or do I. Napco is not a basket case or a charity case. They are a company that can define and protect their own interests. I say let them do it.

It could if he doesn't understand you have a long standing feud and he thinks he getting sucked into something instead of simply working at fixing a problem.

If the naked truth be told, how many reas>>>It's one more reason why I wouldn't ever recommend doing business with >>>Bass

I don't need a "lawyer" to tell me that distributing copyrighted material without permission is just plain *wrong*. I also happen to know that Napco doesn't know what Robert's up to and that he more than likely provides the same "service" for other manufacturer's products he says he "represents". Only "time" will tell. Napco's closed for the holiday, but I intend to find out what they think about someone providing their software as a free download on Tuesday. As a matter of fact, I'll get the "scoop" from DSC, Paradox, Elk, Ademco and GE and post the answers from each one. If you want the phone numbers and the name of the individual I spoke with, you can email me and I'll provide that to you as well.

Bass will argue differently. His contracts were "iron clad" and never challenged in court. It's how he's managed to justify having no liability insurance.

Check. But you're "preaching to the choir" here.

Copyright is exactly what it says it is. I certainly wouldn't want to "spin" another meaning on it, and I know you wouldn't either.

There's a difference between "knowing" it's being done, and not "knowing". You are also assuming the biggest liar in USENET is actually capable of telling (or recognizing) the "truth".

I would hope not.

Yes, you can. As a responsible citizen you can report illegal activity to the appropriate authority. If, in fact, Napco has given Bass their "blessing" they will tell you about it. If not, then you can expect the link to be removed "co-incidentally". :-)

I not only "believe I believe it", I'll come right out and say it. Bass is providing proprietory software for download on his website against the manufacturer's EULA and Copyright. I intend to report this activity because I know it's the responsible thing to do and not because I have a "long standing feud" with the asshole.

Check. And they have far deeper pockets than some "installer wannabe" parts pusher that believes he has "the right" to do something no other online service does because he's "special".

They can only "do that" if they know about it. I'm a security professional. I take pride in what I do and the service I provide. I have nothing against "DIY" or "DIY stores" (whether they're online or not). However, when I perceive another individual that's in my industry is skirting the law, I will take action. We have a responsibility to the public we protect. You can continue to bury your head in the sand or post "inanities". We each of us view things differently and I respect that. Happy New Year, by the way.

Jim (alarminex): Contact me at feolson at yoursecuritysource dot com.

I think that statement you just made is racist and unreasonable! I don't know of any black folks that speak that way today. I have not ever heard any that I know personally to speak in such a fashion. My quote was not meant as a slur of any sort. It was clearly showing a simple yet profound understanding about life, and one that is also humorous. If you think it was dumb or racist, you must not have read any of Herman Melville's or Mark Twain's works. That remark was meant to quote from that time frame, not today. Being black doesn't mean you have a thin skin, only a dark one. Do you actually have any friends? Any that might be African-American? I thought not. Many might think I am racist for my views. Since I studied Biology for a time there was something I learned about race. There is not a plural when it comes to the human race. The is only one human race. Therefore one race can not be better than another. If there are subtle differences that would let one variety make that claim, it would be easy to parse out. To find the origin of a master race of anything, you simply try and find the greatest variation of species in the smallest geographical region. Applied to humans where do you suppose that would be. Let's see: Japan? No Australia? No India? No Europe? No Africa? Yes! As one example Zulu and Pygmy peoples live in close proximity, yet show a degree of variation not found amongst other human populations in such a close area. There is no single human trait on a genetic level that one cannot find represented in an African population. Much scientific research has been done to show that, more and more, it points to an African genesis for all humankind. For Africans to have suffered throughout time, to be held in captivity, or simply held down, as they were in this country for so long; and yet maintain their dignity and hope as humans shows to me that God knew when he made me that I was simply not good enough to be born black and face all that.

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Hmmmm.

That sounds pretty racist to me.

you made the rascist statement. I just nailed you for it. How does me calling you out for inappropriate comments about black people make me the rascist? It doesn't. Trying to deflect responsibility maybe? Are any of your customers or employees black? Hope they don't read this newsgroup for your sake.

Napco does have a "dealer" program of sorts where they will sell direct and "private label" the keypads and provide other incentives. You have to be a high volume Napco user and Napco doesn't make much noise about it to its non dealers.

Robert L Bass wrote:

You're no more a Napco "dealer" than any other alarm company who want's to buy the equipment. And you don't know any about it even if you do constantly say that you do. You've never explained how you programed that keypad to take more than 16 characters per line. You got caught in another lie and you just choose to ignore answering ....... Neat ...... heh heh heh heh!

All you know about Napco equipment is what you read in the manuals. It's been about three years since Napco made some changes to their wireless line. You still don't know what it was. You haven't installed for years and you've lost touch with the new equipment and you're still trying to convince people that your and "expert". We know what kind of an expert you are. You're and expert liar, cheater, thief, and expoloiter.

The Napco program says that it is not for end user use and you give it to end users.

No Crash, you lock every panel to keep customers locked into multi-year monitoring contracts...at least thats what some here seem to always imply

I can't take you for anything but a complete fool. You call me a racist and can't even SPELL the word? You spelled it wrong each time you tried, so it isn't a typo. You just can't spell or use a spell checker either. I posted an old quote, you moron, and labeled it as such, I didn't make a racist statement. You're just too stupid to know the difference. I guess you haven't read Melville or Twain or much of anything else by the way.

Yes, they are and I'll be glad to show them my posts just for you. They will at least get a chuckle out of a fool calling me racist when he can't even spell the word, let alone know what it means. If they don't fall asleep from being bored first that is.

I don't think so. I am fully responsible for what I write and say.

Probably for their sake. They would think this place is very boring. But I'll see if they won't post a reply for you.

I fall victim to all sorts of racist jokes at work and other places. The best one that got me was when I asked a buddy about the restaurant discrimination issue and if he'd ever experienced it. He said no, but there is one restaurant he would probably not like to go in. I said which one (me being serious still) and he said "The 'Cracker' Barrel". He got me! (He does actually eat there by the way). That is just one of many. On a trip to Ireland I told him he was going to be one more of a few black guys in Ireland. He said with a stern face there are only 4 black guys in Ireland. Only 4 I said surprised? Yes, only 4 he said. How would you know such a thing I asked. He said because when he gets there he'll be number 5. They will call me the "Jackson 5" (his last name being Jackson of course). Got me again. When its his turn to buy lunch he call me and puts some sick thought in my head. Last week it was "Hey, there is this great new web site where you can track anyone using their cell phone". "Check it out". So with me on the phone he says go to

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