DCS Power 832

Ok, I went back and carefully re read the original post. He did say he was asking for the installer code, but I think as an end user, he didn't realize that NO ONE gives out their installer code for all the usual reasons. I don't think he even realized that's how our industry works in that the code is traditionally changed from factory. He just wants the ability to access installer level programming mode and doesn't give a hoot whether the company gives out their particular installer code, or puts back the factory one.

I guess we look at his post a little differently. I don't sense any "attitude" here, other than a quite understandable concern because he has no control over his property as he should after all contracts are clearly done with. Since there has been no discussion on his part about paying for anything, I can't conclude anything either way about his attitude to paying for the company to do the work (either over the phone or via a service call).

Anyway Jack, sorry about blowing a fuse. It was a bad day yesterday, and I kinda over-reacted. My apologies for the unkind words, but I do see a lot of misuse of this feature. But I can assure you, no one hear including me thinks anyone should work for nothing. But there is a certain onus on those who control someone else's property to act in a certain manner. Most alarmcos do; it's the ones that don't that I see a la the many letters and boards I receive.

Cheers !

RHC

That is assuming they really acted like that

that is assuming he has a phone line, or that the panel is connected to it

or has added dsl to the phone line and download won't work..happened to me yesterday. :(

Robert, using the above seems to be more of an example in favor of *not* helping this individual than in favor of helping him.

If he got the house on a foreclosure, doesn't it seem likely that the alarm company got screwed out of something somewhere along the line? Owning the alarm system outright, doesn't mean that the alarm company owes him anything. Why it's entirely possible that the alarm company never got paid for the installation, much less, probably got screwed out of months of monitoring fees. If, in fact, this person is telling the truth about the alarm company refusing to unlock the board, don't you think that his first reaction would be to send them a registered letter stating that he was going to report them to BBB, local alarm association, attorney general, dept of consumer affairs, his attorney, etc, etc, etc, rather than spend the time to unwire it, along with the effort, time and money to get the board unlocked?

Why would you believe this guy anymore than you'd believe the alarm company, if they told you that they still owned the equipment? Without proof, and only hearsay, you're acting as if you're Solomon making decisions, as to who's tellling the truth or not and I'll bet it just so happens that it always falls in favor of the side that is willing to pay you for unlocking the board.

Have you ever refused to unlock a board?

I'll bet not.

If you think that the above is an example of a *good* reason to unlock boards, then it's likely that you're doing a lot of ligitimate alarm companies out of their just returns.

Don't get me wrong on this. I know damn well that there are some companies that wont unlock boards. But before I'll do a takeover, I'll always propose that the end user try all of the means that I've mentioned above, before they pay me to either unlock, reprogram, or change out the board. Some just don't want to be bothered and tell me to go ahead. But there are others that I've never heard from again and I can only presume they either got satisfaction, found someone else, or just never followed through.

This is area of uncertanty and there's no way for you to ever know if you're doing the right thing or not. Yet you do it anyway, always presuming the end user is right and the alarm company is wrong.

And you think that what you are doing is right?

I just had to point out to you that some things in life simply can't be responded to in a civil and placid manner. There are some things, subjects, people and events, that deserve to be treated, categorically, in the manner they present themselves. And I include myself in any or all of the above, that may be applicable.

Congratulations.

Up till now, I had thought that perhaps you were related to the Pope.

Jim is a very wise man.

Jiminex is a vile, pugnacious thug, drowning in the depths of his own vitriol.

I have no interest in discussing anything with you. You've already shown that you are someone that I want nothing to do with regardless of whether or not you make a valid point on something. And your suggestion that vileness and vindictiveness is called for in certain situations makes about as much sense to me as saying that some alarmco still has a legitimate hold on a Classic panel that hasn't been sold since the early 1990's.

Believe me, I'd rather be closely related to the Pope than who you resemble most of the time.

RHC

Only to you ....... an arrogant, f****ng asshole who's on the verge of dying and getting his just desserts for living the disruptive life you've lived.

And I'm obviouly a much better swimmer in mine than you are ..... in your own brand of vitriol. Because you're going down first ....... aren't you .....you miserable f****ng bastard.

Bon Appitite!

I really don't care what you think about whomever.

If I feel like making a point, I'll make it. The fact that you read it, understand it and in this case responded to it is all of your doing, not mine. If you don't like it, f*ck off. Don't read it. Go someplace else. Filter me. Or whatever the f*ck you want to do. Your' holier than thou attitude wore thin on me a long time ago and now it's finally starting to sink in on a few others. Have you noticed that you seem to always be apologizing for your run off at the mouth before you finally figure out that you don't know what the f*ck your talking about?

Take a clue. You don't make a profit from unlocking boards. You just do it because you've got some vendetta against people in the trade who don't unlock boards. You don't offer contracts and lose equity in your company, because you've got some other vendetta aginst some other people in the trade who use contracts. You offer free service because you've got some vendetta against someone else in the trade. Jesus f****ng Christ already. What the f*ck are you in business for ? Just so you can get even with all the bad guys who're out there? Take a look at your own convoluted reasoning and then see where you fit. Are you in the alarm trade or just out there waving at windmills thinking the whole world is a bad place and you're the Avenging Angel? Every goddamned thing you do, or put your foot in your mouth over, is about how bad everyone in the trade is and how the end user is never wrong. Wake up and see if there's a real world out there that your missing, by your constant focusing on trying to make the world right, according to Bob. No denying you seem like a nice guy ..... but you negate it by acting like a fool.

You know where you stand and I know where I stand. If you don't like what I say, don't read it. In spite of the fact that I'm right and you don't like it.

Ummmm how many accounts do you have now Bobby boy? It was only going to be about 300 ..... wasn't it? Oh and is that free service beginning to eat into the profits a little more each year, yet? Heh heh heh ......... Oh ..... but that's right. You don't need to make a profit. You've got income from "other" sources and you're only in business to show up the bad guys, anyway. And you're not going to sell the business anyway. You're just going to give this non profit, business, set up as an apology for the bad guys in the alarm trade, to your son. A hell of a gift to lay on him.... that's for sure. I wonder if we'll ever know how long it takes him to turn it around into a real alarm company.

You know Jim you seem to have an idea as to how everyone here ticks. I don't know how accurate those ideas are, but nevertheless you make your observations. There is one area I feel certain you are an expert on. That being you of course. I don't understand the calculus of declaring that since someone has led a less than stellar life in your opinion, that equates to some form of joy on your part in their suffering. It is a calculus that just won't balance for me or I suspect with most folks. RHC is not in a minority when he is truly put off by such an attitude. You have stated your reasons for your feelings, but I just can't parse it out. I don't necessarily deserve an explanation, but your thinking that one group dastardly deeds, even committed over a lifetime, deserves such taunting at any misfortune is, and remains, baffling to me; not to mention just plain flawed. You might think you understand how your taunting impacts others, and thus show a devil may care attitude, but believe me most folks are going to be offended and perplexed. I know you are capable of being candid enough to describe the situation if the shoe were on the other foot. If you were reading a post fashioned like yours that you didn't agree with, you would (or at least you have in the past) launch into a description of some sort about that person making some harsh and critical remarks. If you care to, try to dissect yourself and your motives in as much detail as you have others here. I am not interested in a list of perceived misdeeds by Bass, just the reasoning, if any exists, behind your thought process. It seems there is someone like Bass, or you see Bass like someone that, in the past, has offended or wronged you far beyond what Bass has done or is capable of doing.

"Jim" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Roland,

You need to understand something about Jiminex. His tirades have nothing to do with me. The guy is mentally ill. He has regurgitated his hateful spiel so many times that he now believes I'm responsible for his own actions in trying to destroy this and other newsgroups. This is all about Jiminex. Nothing I have said or done has anything to do with his insane rants. Besides, most of what he claims is a lie anyway.

Was that lick of bAss ass had great taste?

"Roland Moore" a écrit dans le message de news:

you know what I get tired of: seeing your name pop up on every thread. not to mention your arm chair psychoanalisis, get a alife. maybe you should just worry about micro managing your won life. geez no wonder your wife left. these guys have a legit beef that has [guess what] nothing to do with you. I have been lurking and posting here for at least 10 years and bass deserves and has earned all he gets. he too tried to control this newsgroup albeit for his personal gain at the detriment to 90% of the people that perused here and when called out stated this was usenet and there was nothing anyone could do to stop him. Now that he's dying everybody he's belittled and insulted is just supposed to forgive and forget? OK, Bass first.

"Robert L Bass" a écrit dans le message de news: x_udnWpPzKUaQALYnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com... Nothing I have said or done has anything to do with his insane rants. Besides, most

yup and Iraq have WMD in thousand...

I have no life. I live and breathe only in, and for, this place. That was very astute of you to notice.

And you know the bad part of that is? I, similar to W.C. Fields, "never had the courtesy to thank her."

Certainly that is one viable option. And it reminds me of a quote. "Grant that I may realize that the trifling of life creates differences, but that in the higher things, we are all one." Those are the words of a hymn that President Clinton spoke at the funeral of President Nixon. No matter what your beliefs about an afterlife, or a disbelief in your case, part of the human experience is the need to both give and receive forgiveness.

I very pleased that someone who seems to be an expert on everything else in the world, has realized this.

That feeling, is obviously mutual.

I'm sorry to say that your prescience is lacking in this regard. I, in fact, don't find any "joy" in telling Bass what I think of him. You see, you might just say that he's a passing hobby with me. He is of no consequence except that it is only right that someone who has leveled this, what could be great forum, to a brawling sewer, be constantly reminded of what he is and what he's done. I do this with no effort or any conscience. He is beneath any of these usual considerations that might be given to someone else. He's proven again and again that he has no remorse for what he's done to others and like wise, I feel, he should expect no quarter in return. I use the theory, that once you have your enemy down, the only proper next step, is to beat him to a pulp. I would expect nothing more if the

situation were reversed. Your enemy should never have an excuse to forget, that you won. I'm sure he will never ask for forgiveness for what he's done and therefore it will never be offered. Forgiveness can only be bestowed on those who ask for it. I know that he's intelligent enough to know what he's caused and done to people, but will continue to claim his right to do whatever he wants to do regardless of how it affects others. I will continue to object to his conduct and treat him as badly as I can, in this type of forum, short of going real life with him. I know that if he were to be able to find out my personal information, that he would not do likewise. As far as I'm concerned, Bass will carry his legacy to his grave. I will be here and at every opportunity, remind him of what he is, until his last breath. He deserves nothing better than that.

YOU might expect there be a "balance" and I'm sure that there are others, that in spite of his transgressions, that would think the same. Obviously, I don't. You can like it or not. Or understand it or not. It is and will remain so until he dies. And good riddance. When his time comes and he's no longer here to claim his innocence, although I'd be hard put to get many to state it, you can be sure, Roland, that there are many, many people who think the same, but don't have the social courage to say it.

What a relief it will be, when he's gone.

And considering his denial and continued repudiation of all that he's done to the Newsgroup and the people in it and those who're no longer here, because of him ....... he should know that. He should know that now and as he approaches his extinction. He's a miscreant, lying thief. A trouble maker with out conscience or remorse. One of those people with enough intelligence, education and experience to do good things but instead, uses his talents for taunting, belittling and ridiculing people. He deserves to be treated as he treats others and worse. And worse, because he has the ability to NOT conduct himself the way he does, but does it consciously and intentionally .....which makes is all the more intolerable.

You show your lack of history here by commenting on what is between Bob Campbell and I. I'm sure that my comments to Bass, have some bearing, but he and I go back long before you. As a matter of fact I don't recall if Bob C. and I have ever dialoged about Bass. Although I'm sure he doesn't agree with me on that ugly subject. On the other hand, Bob C has commented negatively on some of the things that Bass has done, with out my encouragement. It's just his choice, as it is with some of the others, that in spite of their disagreement with what Bass does,

they choose to stay out of the fray, on both sides. I'm sure that they're aware that if they make comment about the objections that people make about Bass that they'd also better be prepared to defend what he's done to make this Newgroup the bilge that it is. (Hint hint)

I would expect that some others would not be as explicit as I, in my lack of concern about the demise of this piece of s*it, but I don't see much objection to it either. I'm sure that most understand that if they're going to complain about anything that I do here, they'd damn well better start complaining about what Bass has done, and continues to do here and his continued lack of interest in taking responsibility for it and his denial that it's in the condition that it's in, is due to his attitude towards people. All who've been here for any length of time know of that which I speak. Only time tells the whole story of his abhorrent conduct that deserves no quarter.

Not that you deserve any explanation .... and certainly aren't worth the effort, even if there was any "deep-seated" psychological event in my past, as you seem to imply. What Bass has done here is wrong. What he's done in his real life, is wrong. The man has no regard for social contract, and puts everyone who doesn't agree with him in the category of a fool. He lies constantly by saying that all the things said about him are a lie. In spite of the fact that it's all laid out in black in white, recorded in Usenet. Confronted with the proof of his own actions, provable, as written by him, the man even lies about his lies. Un-f****ng believeable!

But, if I remember right, I once said that I would say no more on the subject.

Ditto.

It is, what it is, Roland. But never fear. That which you find objectionable, will end, in a somewhat reasonable amount of time ..... I'm sure.

do with me. The guy is mentally ill. He has

responsible for his own actions in trying to destroy this and

anything to do with his insane rants. Besides, most

Well, lets' see now.

You didn't get thrown out of the aviaition group because you treated people the same why there as you do in this group?

You didn't go real life with people in the aviation group because they wouldn't bend to your blackmail?

You didn't steal someone documentation and claim it as your own?

You didn't call up authorities and lie that someone was flying while intoxicated because you had a disagreement with them?

You didn't mail bomb people in the Aviation newsgroup and post endlessly to the aviation newsgroup, so that no one could make use of the Newsgroup, because they knew you for what you are and refused to cater to your blackmail?

You didn't steal information from manufacturers and from people in this Newgroup and put it on your website, as if it were yours?

You didn't go to Andy's web site ( a competitor of yours) and under false names of others in this Newsgroup make diparaging remarks as if you were a dissatisfied customer of Andy's. ?

You, didn't go real life with Graham and tell lies to his boss to get him fired?

You haven't sought to find out where I am so that you could try to go real life with me?

You haven't sought to find out where Frank is, so that you could go real life with him?

You don't lie by ommission to end users about your experience, time in the trade and lack of experience with the products you sell?

Shall I go on? Or would you like to deny any of the above ....... first?