Ademco Vista-15 Install Manual

I never said anything about stuffing electrical cabinets with paper. I said I leave the manuals inside the low voltage alarm cabinet. You don't, but then again, I also don't lock my customers out of their own systems like some people do. That's the only reason you won't give the customer *his* manual or the programming code to *his* system. Try to justify your lack of ethics by claiming you're worried about fire all you want. We both know you're just a crooked alarm dealer.

How unfortunate for your vict... er, customers.

... grab as much money as you can. Yes, I know.

Yes, I do remember. It's science fiction. Your tech almost caused a fire by shorting out a battery. That was not due to the presence of paper in the cabinet. In fact, such an event causes an almost instantaneous burn as the wire heats up in a split second. I know because the same thing happened to me once when I inadvertently miswired a second battery to a Napco battery harness (the same device about which I posted a really dumb mistake a year or so ago:)). Fortunately, that happened on the bench in my office. The copper wire turned white hot, burned off the insulation and incinerated itself. Inside the panel this would never happen since the wires don't get moved around after the door is shut.

During the normal course of use the panel will not heat up and neither will the battery.

Last I checked a "low voltage alarm cabinet" IS an electrical cabinet, and you know full well that not leaving the manual isn't locking a customer into anything

(Careful Crash I think he's calling you a liar, this is the start of Phase

Battery Diode Harness StoryFrom: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Group Moderator) Newsgroups: alt.security.alarms Subject: REPOST: Battery Diode Story - GOOFY BASS WRONG AGAIN Lines: 89 NNTP-Posting-Host: ngpost-m2.news.aol.com X-Admin: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com Date: 22 May 2002 07:13:17 GMT Organization: AOL

REPOSTED FOR THOSE WHO REQUESTED IT: This is the guy ROBERT L. (Lunatic) Goofy Bass that his Clones think he is so knowledgeable about alarms.

Battery Diode Story

Bass Was Totally Wrong - This was taken right from

I think you've got this one wrong, friend. Napco provided a Battery Diode > > >

when > > > > I installed their add-on power supply. In fact, it's still listed on the > > > > ADI server as a valid part, although AFAIK Napco has stopped producing them. > > > > > > > > If you make current flow in the wrong direction on a battery charging > > > > circuit you'll have a lot more than a dead battery to worry about. To test > > > > your theory take a discharged battery and connect its terminals to another, > > > > fully charged battery with the terminals reversed (so you can get current to > > > > "flow back into the dead battery"). All kidding aside, don't really try > > > > this. The results can include fire and explosion, depending on the type of > > > > battery and its condition. > > > > > > > > BTW, the charging circuits on many alarms are actually 13.8VDC -- not 12 > > > > Volts. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > >

Robert L Bass > > > > > > > > =============================> > > > > Bass Home Electronics > > > > The Online DIY Alarm Store > > > >

Sales & Tech Support > > > > 941-925-9747 Fax > > > > snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net >

This is the CORRECT answer Again taken from

optional PS3000 power supply, but do need to supervise for AC > > > brownout. This module connects the PS3000 jack to the AUX relay, which > > > is triggered upon brownout. > > > > > > Secondly, the Dual Battery Harness, to which I believe you were > > > referring in your post, does not have a diode in it at all, it simply > > > parallels the battery leads to allow the connection of

two directions, you will soon have a very dead battery. > > > > > > Best Regards, Oleg

HERE NORMAN PROVES GOOFY ASS WRONG ALSO

Nomen Nescio wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Better not use a diode to isolate the two batteries. Remember, current has > > > > > to flow both directions on a battery lead: into the battery when it's > > > > > charging, and out of the battery when it's discharging. So if you orient > > > > > the anode towards the charging terminal and the cathode towards the > > > > > battery, the battery will charge but will not be able to deliver power to > > > > > the system when the AC is off. If you orient the diode the other > > > > > direction, the battery will not charge. > > > > > > > > > > Diodes also have a 0.6 volt drop across them, so if you charge a battery > > > > > through a diode, you are not getting the full charging voltage. > > > > > > > > > > Use a fuse or circuit breaker instead, preferably the harness provided by > > > > > the panel manufacturer.

SO those who want to take Goofy Bass's advise because you think he knows every thing -THINK TWICE.

Mike, Sr. Alarm Services Inc.(NJ) Group Moderator

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Wrong!, you know damn well Tom that according to the manual (page 33 paragraph 2)...

"Phase 1 begins and is defined thereof if RLB hints or openly calls a second party a liar"

and if you read the next line it states....

"Phase 1 is independent to the reaction or comments of the offended party"

Therefore it doesn't matter how Crash responds it's still an official Phase

Naa I'm still hovering around Phase 3 although I hear you just made Phase

Exactly. So, you don't think a short can happen in an alarm panel? Man I wish I had saved the last semi-exploded battery I removed from an old neglected system a few months ago.

Actually, I'm sure direct shorts could have happened on any number of Robert's installs; after all, he did advise a DIY'er here to hook a siren up directly to the battery through a relay on a DSC system. Thankfully, he never installed any DSC systems because he thinks they're unreliable (he only sells them on line).

Frank Olson

Ford didn't give me the secret computer codes to my Mustang, I had to pay a technician to pull them out and change them.

Gasp!!!

"I leave" as is present tense? (click file, save DBPR, Robert L Bass)

"I also don't lock my customer out" as in present tense? (click file, save DBPR, Robert L Bass)

I am sure they all get the manual for what they are and that is the user. As in USERS MANUAL.

or the

I am sure they get the programming code for what they are, and that is the user or subscriber, to provide them access to what is referred to as, SUBSCRIBER LEVEL PROGRAMMING. Try reading sometime and more importantly interpet and and understand what you are reading.

So let me get this straight. You say that because someone is worried about a potential fire hazzard, they are wrong or have a lack of ethics because they don't put a combustible into an area that may (for what ever reason) have a potential for fire. Why is metal can required? Why do all pentrations and ends of conduit require fire caulk? Is so fire cannot get into the can or is it so that fire can not get out of the can? I would be interested in seeing your response to these questions. How does being proacitve equate to lack of ethics? I'll bet you store your gas cans next to your hot water heat. But what the hell, they are both gas, what could it hurt. With your line of thinking here, nothing will happen because you are so ethical. This may be another one for the "bASS Book of Knowledge"

Someone outside the *real* industry doesn't know how hard that is these days when everything is free. I don't see bASS having to compete with that marketing philosophy in his business. He just has to contend with cease and desists orders, the DBPR, and the BBB.

That leads to two questions. First, what can you do with the code that you can't do without it? Second, why would you want a Mustang? I've been looking at a '96 Supra -- kind of like four wheels mounted to a jet engine.

I believe you, Crash, but in my experience the panel never has gotten anywhere near hot enough to ignite paper. Even if the battery were to rupture, it still wouldn't heat up enough to ignite paper. In fact, I cut open an old gel cell once (don't ask why). The material inside didn't flow out. It's a thick, gelatinous stuff.

And yes, wires inside a panel can short. The result is an instantaneous blown fuse. Battery leads won't short unless you do something really bad and if you do it will be with the panel door open and the tech standing there (looking really surprised:)).

BTW, I don't know what other folks do but I've always wrapped battery terminals with a layer of tape, the same thing I did to screws behind keypads and stuff, to prevent an accidental short.

Change the power curve, valve timings etc

Heh, thats funny because Supra's sucked

Base Number of Cylinders: 6 Base Engine Size: 3 liters Base Engine Type: Inline 6 Horsepower: 320 hp Max Horsepower: 5600 rpm Torque: 315 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4000 rpm Drive Type: RWD

Looks like pretty good numbers to me...a little better than a Chevette...

All sorts of stuff you can fine tune in the computer (personally, I know nothing about tweeking it, but the guy I bring it to does).

Why...it's fast and it was a good value at the time.

Oh. I don't work on cars. I bring them to professional mechanics.

It may have been a good value but fast is relative. :^)