2 or 4 wire smoke detector question.

thanks for the answer..but clearly its not what most people in the US and the rest of the world were thinking when W spoke about the BIG amount Saddam had...what he could do with it and why the world had to fight this evil man...

what it the most disturbing,is the lie,plain lie,or maybe we should say lack of full information,they maybe knew they would find a small amount of shell or stuff like that in the country,after all like you said,there is stuff lying around in Europe after 50 + after the war...and it would not surprise me that even the US military don't know the full amount of all the ammo they have,in Iraq or even in the US..

why I pointed to W when this post thread started its because we are just beginning to see how W used the US citizen,how he used 911 to go to war with a country that was not a real treat but was more a strategic place to hold...that would not have made the point and most US citizen would not have loved it..it would not have pass congress or the senate..

But one other thing...what about the kool aid stuff...here we don't drink that,we drink beer,the real stuff,not like your stuff,but I can see a possible comparison between our beers and cool aid..here we drink beer and south of our border they serve kool aid in bar....;-)

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What put the bug up Bush's ass to flatten Saddam will be debated by future historians for some time I suspect. To over simplify it all and say Bush lied about Saddam's capability and intentions is hardly an answer, especially if you don't mention all the other leading Democrats as well as Republicans that said the very same thing. Most of the G8 nation's intelligence departments said the same thing as well. I don't think Bush held sway over any of them. The CIA's leaks about undue political pressure in reaching that Saddam is a menace conclusion was shown to be a CYA effort so they wouldn't have to fall on their sword for such a screw up. Bottom line is the CIA missed the threats that hit us, and so far seemed to have guessed wrong about Iraq. Historically the U.S. has never been a country that enjoyed long protracted wars, so it's no surprise that the Iraq situation is so unpopular. The rest of the world never likes to see the U.S. go out to kick ass and take names, unless their the one nation being protected. So the experiment goes on to see whether or not the Iraqi's can take back control of the country from the legacy of a brutal dictator.

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Please direct us to all the Fox News stories that were proven to have been fabricated.

Now do the same for the other news organizati> You have to understand that Fox is not a news network. They just make

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JoeRaisin

most of the crap they report.

Name something they made up

destruction. He wasn't building nuclear weapons. He wasn't

exception of Leuck) mostly realize this by now.

You've been listening to too much Randy Rhodes I see

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Since you asked...

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Here are just a few examples gleaned from the web at:

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"Keep in mind that in the first three weeks of March, before the bombs started officially dropping, Fox was spreading all sorts of Pentagon propaganda. Iraq had "drones" that it could quickly dispatch to major U.S. metropolitan areas to spread biological agents. Saddam was handing out chemical weapons to the Republican guard to use against coalition troops in a last-ditch red-zone ring around Baghdad. Given what we now know about Iraq, these reports seem to be laughable fantasies, but they were effective in securing public backing for the war. The following is a short chronicle of lies, propagation of lies, exaggerations, distortions, spin, and conjecture presented as fact. My comments are in brackets [ ]s."

March 14: On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith reports that Saddam is planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up dams and causing severe flood damage.

March 19: Fox anchor Shepard Smith reports that Iraqis are planning to detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the earth to scorch coalition forces. Fox Military Analyst Major Bob Bevelacqua states that coalition forces will drop a MOAB on Saddam's bunker [!!] and give him the "Mother of All Sunburns."

[After my last article, one sniveling neocon after another wrote me to tell me I was unqualified to assess defense matters because I wasn't a "defense analyst" (never mind that the article wasn't on the war, and the "real" defense experts made one wrong prediction after another on this war). It's interesting how these sniveling Frumsters cheer on the college-uneducated Hannity and Limbaugh when they make defense analyses supporting the neocon view. I do know enough to say that the informed Bevelacqua's suggestion that a MOAB would be used on a bunker was puzzling to say the least (given the reports of less-than-dazzling performance of daisy cutters outside caves in Tora Bora). Anyway, later reports confirmed that GBU-28 bunker busters were used during The Decapitation That Apparently Failed.]

March 23: The network begins 2 days of unequivocal assertions that a 100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf is a chemical weapons plant. Much is made about the fact that it was booby trapped. A former UN weapons inspector interviewed on camera over the phone downplays the WMD allegations and says that booby-trapping is common. His points are ignored as unequivocal charges of a chemical weapons facility are made on Fox for yet another day (March 24). Only weeks later is it briefly conceded that the chemicals definitively detected at the facility were pesticides.

[Jennifer Eccleston has to be the worst reporter employed by any network. She began one segment with a "Hi there!" ? in no response to any segue from the relaying anchor at Fox headquarters in New York. Her bangs are long and constantly blowing in her face in the wind. Her head wobbles from side to side with her nose tracing out a figure 8 all the while arbitrarily syncopating a monotone voice with overemphasis on the last syllables of different words (e.g., Bagh-DAD?). The old, white-haired flag-waving yahoos like her not for her professionalism ? she has none ? but because of her innocent Britney Spearsesque beauty; i.e., she's a typical young piece of meat which dirty old men with too much time on their hands fantasize about.]

March 24: Oliver North reports that the staff at the French embassy in Baghdad are destroying documents. [How could he know this?]

March 24: Fox and Friends. Anchor Juliet Huddy asks Colonel David hunt why coalition forces don't "blow up" Al Jazeera TV. [The context of the discussion makes it clear that she doesn't know the difference between Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV!!!! Juliet Huddy is a beautiful woman but not very bright.]

March 28: Repeated assertions by Fox News anchors of a red ring around Baghdad in which Republican Guard forces were planning to use chemical weapons on coalition forces. A Fox "Breaking News" flash reports that Iraqi soldiers were seen by coalition forces moving 55-gallon drums almost certainly containing chemical agents.

April 7: Fox, echoing NPR, reports that U.S. forces near Baghdad have discovered a weapons cache of 20 medium-range missiles containing sarin and mustard gas. Initial tests show that the deadly chemicals are not "trace elements."

[In the coming weeks, this embarrassing non-discovery is quickly stomped down the Memory Hole. The missiles were never mentioned again.]

April 9: The crowd around coalition troops toppling the Saddam statue in Baghdad looks strangely sparse despite the network's assertions to the contrary. The perspective is always in close and even then there is no mob storming the statue to hit it with their shoes. Just a handful of people. It's constantly asserted that there's a huge crowd. [I'm perplexed. Where's the huge crowd?!]

April 10: Fox "Breaking News" report of weapons-grade plutonium found at Al Tuwaitha. [In the coming weeks this "discovery" was expeditiously shoved down the Memory Hole as well.]

April 10 (2:59 EDT): A report noting with surprise "how little" the Iraqis were celebrating the coalition invasion. [An interesting contradiction of the allegations of widespread celebration just the day before with the toppling of the Saddam statue.]

April 10 (3 p.m. EDT: Reporter Rick Leventhal) Fox "Breaking News" report: A mobile bioweapons lab is found. Video of a tiny tan truck?about the size of the smallest truck that U-Haul rents ? which had its cargo bed and fuel tank shot up with bullets after a looter tried to drive it away. Repeated assertions that this is most definitely a "bioweapons" lab. A graphic sequence is shown of a large Winnebago-type vehicle that is massive compared to the tiny truck found. The irony of this escapes the Fox newscasters and defense "experts."

[This was the first "bioweapons lab" found, not the larger one later found in Mosul. A week later it is briefly conceded that the tiny truck was probably never a bio weapons lab, but promises that real ones will pour forth from the landscape continue. The second phantom lab, a large tractor-trailer truck was discovered around May 2 by Kurdish fighters.]

April 10: To show that France is in bed with Saddam Hussein, Fox begins running old footage of Saddam Hussein's September 1975 trip to Paris to meet with Jacques Chirac and tour a nuclear power plant. [Because Fox strives so hard to be "Fair and Balanced," it's all the more curious how it fails to inform its audience about another trip four years later, this one to Baghdad on December 19,

1983 made by Reagan envoy and then former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld (see pic below). The network again, because it's so very "Fair and Balanced," also inexplicably forgot to tell its audience about another trip by Rummy to Baghdad, this time on March 24, 1984, the very same day that a U.N. team found that Iraqi forces had used mustard gas laced with a nerve agent on Iranian soldiers. Rummy obviously wasn't too concerned about the charges of gassing, as in 1986 when he was considering a run for the Republican presidential nomination of 1988, he listed his restoration of diplomatic relations with WMD-using Iraq as one of his proudest achievements.

But all that's an eternity ago for Imperial Conservatives with a 20-second attention span. The Fox newscasters rename Jacques Chirac "Jacques Iraq"(yuk, yuk, yuk ? what a side splitter!) and keep going.]

April 7: Repeated ominous footage of barrels buried in a below-ground shed near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi landscape is replete with these types of shelters, all of them brimming with evidence of chemical weapons. [These were revealed to be agricultural chemicals as well.]

April 13: Fox Graphic: "Bush: Syria Harboring Chemical Weapons."

[My favorite Fox war commentator is definitely Colonel David Hunt. From my canvassing of all the cable network war coverage, it's hard to find an analyst who is more dogmatic. When coalition forces weren?t greeted with hugs and kisses like he predicted and instead encountered stiff resistance from Iraqi forces in Basra and other places, Davey was all denial. Everything?s going perfect. Rummy is God, hallelujah and praise Dubya! There's not a problem in Iraq that can't be solved by blowing some Iraqi's brains out.]

April 15: Fox analyst Mansoor Ijaz claims that the top 55 Iraqi leaders (along with the whole stash of chemical and biological WMDs they have taken with them) are now living it up in Latakia, Syria. [This is the same 55 that appeared on the deck of cards and is still being captured ? far from all living it up in Syria.] On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith completely breaks with any pretense of objectivity and openly mocks actor Tim Robbins after playing an excerpt of Robbins' speech to the National Press Club. "Oh, that was so powerful!" Smith mocked. [Impressive objectivity there, Mr. Smith.]

April 16: Fred Barnes on Special Report with Brit Hume blames the looting of the Iraqi National Museum on the museum staff. [Right now there are so many claims and counterclaims about the looting it's hard to tell what happened. In a Fox segment on May 19 a coalition official asserted that 170,000 items were definitely not missing. Of course he refused to give a ballpark estimate of what was missing, which he'd surely have in order to plausibly deny that the original estimate was wrong.]

April 18: Bill O'Reilly opens his show calling Iraqis "ungrateful."

April 21: Bill O'Reilly opens his show calling Iraqi Shiites "ungrateful SOBs" and "fanatics." He concludes that "[we] can't tolerate a fundamentalist state" in Iraq.

[Whoa, O'Reilly. I thought we promised the Iraqis that we were going to implement democracy, not democracy that gives the U.S. the election results it wants. That's not democracy, now, is it? By now it's quite clear that despite the spinning on The No Spin Zone, Iraq is descending into chaos.]

April 22: Lt. Colonel Robert Maginnis states on The O'Reilly Factor that the probability of finding WMDs is a 10 out of 10. [This is the same Robert Maginnis who predicted a double-ring defense of Baghdad in the Washington Times on January 7.] O'Reilly states that if no WMDs are found within a month from today, then that spells big trouble. O'Reilly promises to explore the issue a month later. [Cool, let's hold his feet to the fire on that promise. On an earlier show he said that U.S. credibility would be "shot" if no WMDs were found. ]

May 8: Fox News Military Analyst Major General Paul Vallely states on The O?Reilly Factor that "Middle East agents" have told him that Iraq?s WMDs along with 17 mobile weapons labs (1 of which was captured around May 2) are now buried in the Bakaa Valley in Syria 30 meters underground. He also claims that France helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel papers [a charge that even the Pentagon later denies although it's apparent that's where Vallely got his information].

May 11: On The Fox Report with Rick Folbaum it is conceded that the nefarious captured trailer contains not a shred of evidence of WMDs, but Folbaum hints that what?s important is that the trailer could have been used to make them. [Hmmm. I thought we went to war for actual WMDs, not for the ability to make WMDs.]

May 16: Special Report with Brit Hume. Muslims, citing Islam's ban of alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their Christian owners. Under Saddam's secular regime, Christian names were banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and alcohol were freely available; there was tolerance for Iraq's 1 million Catholic and Protestant Christians. In New and Improved Neocon Iraq, there's a letter circulating in Baghdad threatening violence to even the families of women who refuse to wear the traditional Muslim head covering. [The report is yet another interesting and reluctant concession of unintended consequences.]

May 19: O'Reilly discusses a number of inflammatory and bogus charges that were floated in the U.S. media about France (e.g., France supplied Iraq with precision switches used in nuclear weapons, French companies sold spare parts to Iraq for military planes and helicopters, France possessed illegal strains of smallpox, France helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel papers). Recall this last charge was made by Major General Paul Vallely on May 8 on The O'Reilly Factor. Again, the Pentagon denies all such charges although much of the Beltway thinks it's obvious that the Pentagon is the source of them. O'Reilly claims that Vallely is only irresponsible if the charges don't turn out to be true. O'Reilly refers to documents that prove that the French government was briefing Saddam right until the war started. [Briefed on what?]

May 20: O'Reilly concedes that the Private Jessica Lynch rescue story could be a fraud, as asserted by the BBC and Los Angeles Times columnist Robert Scheer. "Somebody is lying," he states. He says that if the U.S. military has concocted a fraud, then it will be a terrible scandal but if the BBC and Scheer are wrong, nothing will happen to them. He says he is skeptical of the BBC and Scheer.

To prove his point he brings on no other than Colonel David Hunt. [Geez. Transcript here.] Over and over, Hunt calls the allegations of staged rescue an "assail on the finest soldiers in the world." He claims that the ambulance with Lynch in it that drove up to a Marine checkpoint was never shot at, its drivers demanded $10,000 for information on Jessica, Saddam Hospital was guarded by uniformed Iraqi soldiers and Fedayeen, Jessica's life was saved, and coalition forces didn't trash the hospital. What were his sources for this information? The special ops members on the raid, some of whom are his friends and former colleagues. Over and over Hunt kept saying, "They're the best soldiers in the world, they're the best in the world. Why would they make this up?"

[What followed next was an exchange that's priceless and one of many that goes by far too un-analyzed on Fox every day:]

Hunt: In my opinion it's an assault, an effrontery to the finest men and women in our service, it's an assault on Jessica, it's an assault on these great guys, these great special operations guys ... at a minimum we should no longer buy the L.A. Times, no longer buy the Toronto Free Press, and shut the BBC off. It's a government to government issue...this is calling into question the veracity of the finest soldiers in the world and it's uncalled for, it's absolutely unbelievable."

O'Reilly: If you [Hunt] turn out to be right, nothing will happen to Scheer...he'll just go along blithely printing his lies and living his life and getting paid for it.

[To the Colonel: U.S. special ops soldiers may be the best in the world at what they do, but how does it logically follow from that assessment that particular actions taken during the raid were not excessive and unjustified? How is the BBC's story an assault on Jessica?! What do you mean when you mention a "government to government issue" given that the U.S. government now controls Iraq?! Is the Pentagon the most effective check on its own possible misdeeds? How convenient if you're suggesting that it is. Who is your source that Iraqi doctors were trying to ransom Jessica? Why hasn't this allegation made its way into any other news reports?] [To O'Reilly: If the raid does turn out to be mostly staged, there'll be no terrible scandal precisely because you, Fox News, and the Pentagon will assert just the opposite and allow yet another embarrassment to slide into the Memory Hole. This is exactly why your demand for accountability from the BBC and L.A. Times is so hollow and hypocritical. Instead of plumbing the U.S. military to investigate itself, why don't you interview Iraqi doctor Harith al-Houssona as the London Times did on April 16 (where the story was first broken, not by the BBC or Robert Scheer) who actually saved Lynch's life instead of the U.S. special ops who could have jeopardized it? The doctor testifies that all Iraqi forces left the day before the raid and that Jessica was delivered by an ambulance that had to return to the hospital because it was shot at by Marines. Why would he lie? You say you automatically trust the Pentagon. Why, when tales of Lynch's heroics in fighting off 500 Iraqi soldiers with one hand while severely wounded and tales that she had amnesia have already been proven bogus?]

May 22 (5:54 a.m. CDT): Richard King, a military doctor, appears on Fox and Friends with promises by the show's hosts that he will verify that the Jessica Lynch rescue wasn't staged. King doesn't prove anything. He states that he arrived at Saddam Hospital the day after the rescue, concedes damage and mal-treatment of doctors at the hospital, and that he "was told " that the hospital was guarded by hostile forces but doesn't specify who told him. [The testimony of the hospital staff contradicts this last hearsay.]

May 22: O'Reilly fails to live up to his promise to make a big stink if no WMDs are found by today. In his Talking Points Memo he wonders why the U.S. has caught such informed Iraqis as Dr. Germ and Ms. Anthrax and has gotten no leads. He states that more time is needed [contradicting what he said more than a month ago, when he said that if no WMDs were found after 2 months U.S. credibility would be "shot" and there would be big trouble]. He ends his Memo saying Bush must candidly address the situation soon.

June 2: [Unfortunately for O'Reilly, Bush isn't candidly explaining anything.] A video clip on Fox and Friends is shown with Bush in Poland claiming that "[w]e found" weapons of mass destruction. His evidence? Two trailers found near Mosul that were supposedly used as mobile bioweapons labs. [A June 7 article by the Times' Judith Miller reports serious doubts by some analysts that the two trailers were used as mobile bioweapons labs. Said one senior analyst about the initial CIA report, it "was a rushed job and looks political." Yes, they violated U.N. resolutions but this is another red herring to suggest WMDs.]

June 4: O'Reilly's Talking Points Memo: [Surreal.] O'Reilly says that the WMD issue has now been politicized [!!]. The war was a just war because there's now great progress between Palestinians and Israelis and that alone made the war worthwhile [?!!]. Also the mass graves and other horrors discovered add to the case for war. The intelligence was either wrong or more time is needed to find the WMDs. [Again contradicting what he said on and before April 22.]

June 11: Fox reports a bus blast in Jerusalem caused by Hamas, killing 15 and wounding at least 100. [Looks like the real reason for war according to O'Reilly (Israeli-Palestinian peace) has also disintegrated, but don't expect O'Reilly to admit it.]

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Here's another article on Fox from:

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The Bush administration's case for invading Iraq may have been riddled with unreliable claims, but that didn't stop White House-friendly Fox News from pumping it into America's living rooms.

By David J. Sirota

March 30, 2004 | Before the Iraq invasion, the Bush administration made many declarations to build its case for war: There was "no doubt," as the president said, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons, making it an imminent threat to America ; Saddam Hussein was working closely with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida; and the invasion would minimize civilian casualties.

While many intelligence and military experts knew how hollow these claims were, there was one place where the Bush administration was given an open microphone: Fox News. By the time U.S. soldiers were headed across the desert to Baghdad, the "fair and balanced" network, owned by media mogul Rupert Murdoch, looked like a caricature of state-run television, parroting the White House's daily talking points, no matter how unsubstantiated.

Of course, Fox and the White House had forged their nexus well before Iraq. Immediately after 9/11, for instance, Fox chief Roger Ailes (a former Republican Party media consultant) wrote a confidential memo to President Bush saying that America wanted him to "use the harshest measures possible" in the war on terrorism. On the eve of the Iraq invasion, the Washington Post reported that neoconservative Fox contributors, such as Murdoch-owned Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, were "well wired" into the White House, meeting periodically with top administration national security officials and "huddling privately" every three months with Karl Rove, who was urging Republicans to seek maximum political advantage from a war in Iraq. Fox News became the White House's most reliable amplifier -- claims went from the podium, into the news scripts, and out to the American public as fact.

Fox News began by broadcasting the Bush administration's line that there was "no doubt" Iraq had WMD, despite repeated warnings by the intelligence community that the WMD case for war was weak and dubious. As early as August 2002, Fox News contributor Fred Barnes said, "We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that [Saddam Hussein] has been pursuing aggressively weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons." He was refuted a month later by UPI, which reported that "a growing number of experts say that the administration has not presented convincing evidence" that Iraq was pursuing WMD or nuclear weapons. (UPI is owned by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, who also publishes the conservative Washington Times.)

But that did not stop the drumbeat. By spring, Fox was rolling full steam ahead. On March 23, 2003, Fox headline banners blared "Huge Chemical Weapons Factory Found in Southern Iraq" -- a claim that never panned out. On April 11, a Fox News report announced: "Weapons-Grade Plutonium Possibly Found at Iraqi Nuke Complex." Sourced to an embedded reporter from the right-wing Richard Mellon Scaife-owned Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the story was soon debunked by U.S. officials.

Bill O'Reilly, host of the most popular Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor," took to the airwaves on March 4, 2003, to ramp up the claim that not only did Iraq have WMD, but nuclear weapons. He stated definitively that "a load of weapons-grade plutonium has disappeared from Nigeria" and that the theft "should send a signal to all Americans that a nuclear device could be planted here." When he was challenged on his assertion, he insisted, "You cannot refute, and neither can anyone else, that we have plutonium missing in Nigeria, we have two rogue governments, North Korea and Iraq, who are certainly capable of aiding and abetting people who will plant an atomic device, a nuclear device in a city in this country."

O'Reilly was referring to a story that week about radioactive material missing in Nigeria. But it was not plutonium, as he claimed, or anything nearly as lethal as plutonium. It was a compound called Americium

241, wholly unsuitable for the creation of the imaginary "atomic device" O'Reilly referred to. The compound is commonly used for industrial purposes, as opposed to plutonium, which is used primarily for weapons and nuclear reactors. The compound, in fact, was misplaced by Vice President Cheney's old oil firm, Halliburton. (The Nigerian operation under Cheney has sparked an international bribery investigation by the Justice Department.)

On the Saddam-al-Qaida connection, Fox never considered that the connection was nonexistent. Barnes declared on Oct. 9, 2002, that "the CIA now believes there's a real connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, the terrorist group that attacked the United States." He provided no evidence. For years, in fact, the CIA was reporting the opposite.

Sean Hannity, host of the Fox talk show "Hannity and Colmes," claimed with no proof on Dec. 9, 2002, that al-Qaida "obviously has the support of Saddam." He specifically ignored a Los Angeles Times report of a month earlier that found "U.S. allies have found no links between Iraq and al Qaeda." Hannity later announced on April 30, 2003, that he possessed documents proving a "direct link between Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network" and the Iraqi regime, and disparaged critics of the war, saying, "If you listen to the people on the left, they're not fazed by this evidence." They may not have been fazed because earlier that month the Miami Herald reported that senior U.S. officials confirmed they had found "no provable connection between Saddam and al Qaeda."

In June, the chairman of the U.N.'s terrorist monitoring group reiterated that there was "no evidence linking al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein." A month later the L.A. Times reported that declassified documents from the 9/11 commission had "undercut Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to al Qaeda." That was of no concern to Fox News contributor Ann Coulter, who went on the air in September to proclaim: "Saddam Hussein has harbored, promoted, helped, sheltered al Qaeda members. We know that."

Before the war began, Fox tried to minimize the inevitable human cost. Hannity echoed the administration line, claiming in January of 2003 that "Iraqis are not going to be bombed by the United States. The United States will use pinpoint accuracy, like we always do." Within the first few days of the invasion, the New York Times noted that aid groups estimated "thousands of civilian casualties, many more than in the recent conflict in Afghanistan or the Persian Gulf War of 1991."

Before the war, OReilly issued a promise. "If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?" This February, on ABC's Good Morning America, he offered an apology. "My analysis was wrong and I'm sorry. What do you want me to do? Go over and kiss the camera?" But he explained that his lack of skepticism wasn't his fault. "All Americans should be concerned about this, for their families and themselves, that our intelligence isn't as good as it should be." The next day, back on Fox, O'Reilly claimed the controversy over his apology was a plot by the "left wing press" who "used my words to hammer the President." Then he introduced his next guest on what he called "the no spin zone."

But Fox didn't reflect when the network's talking heads were proved wrong. Instead the talkers blamed others. Hannity said on Aug.

20, 2003, that "all the predictions of liberals and Democrats in this country were wrong about thousands of people [being] dead, innocent civilians murdered, and we'd anger the Arab world." Yet, the U.S. military reports that it "has received more than 15,000 claims" for compensation for noncombatant Iraqi deaths, with Amnesty International reporting at least 10,000 civilian Iraqi casualties. Meanwhile, the latest Pew Poll shows burgeoning anti-Americanism, not only throughout the Arab world, but worldwide after the Iraq war.

The Fox-Bush alliance was summed up, apparently without irony, by Bill O'Reilly himself. In his column this week, O'Reilly observed, "There is nothing wrong with news organizations endorsing a candidate or a columnist writing about his or her political preferences. But actively participating in political campaigns ... is absolutely against every journalistic standard, and it is happening -- usually under the radar."

After a review of the record, however, it is clear that Fox was an enthusiastic participant in the White House's campaign of disinformation leading the country into war. And it was not under the radar -- it happened in our living rooms every night.

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Robert L Bass

I figured you weren't smart enough to make the accusation on your own, there is a large difference between getting reports in error (which every network does) and making stuff up

At least the stuff made up by your bud Dan Rather

started officially dropping, Fox was spreading all sorts of

major U.S. metropolitan areas to spread biological agents.

against coalition troops in a last-ditch red-zone ring around

laughable fantasies, but they were effective in securing

propagation of lies, exaggerations, distortions, spin, and

planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up dams

detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the earth

states that coalition forces will drop a MOAB on Saddam's

tell me I was unqualified to assess defense matters because I

and the "real" defense experts made one wrong prediction

Frumsters cheer on the college-uneducated Hannity and Limbaugh

enough to say that the informed Bevelacqua's suggestion that

reports of less-than-dazzling performance of daisy cutters

bunker busters were used during The Decapitation That

100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf is

trapped. A former UN weapons inspector interviewed on

booby-trapping is common. His points are ignored as unequivocal

(March 24). Only weeks later is it briefly conceded that

She began one segment with a "Hi there!" ? in no response

Her bangs are long and constantly blowing in her face in the

figure 8 all the while arbitrarily syncopating a monotone

Bagh-DAD?). The old, white-haired flag-waving yahoos like

innocent Britney Spearsesque beauty; i.e., she's a typical young

Baghdad are destroying documents. [How could he know this?]

coalition forces don't "blow up" Al Jazeera TV. [The

difference between Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV!!!! Juliet Huddy is a

Baghdad in which Republican Guard forces were planning to

reports that Iraqi soldiers were seen by coalition forces

discovered a weapons cache of 20 medium-range missiles

chemicals are not "trace elements."

down the Memory Hole. The missiles were never mentioned

Baghdad looks strangely sparse despite the network's

then there is no mob storming the statue to hit it with

there's a huge crowd. [I'm perplexed. Where's the huge

Al Tuwaitha. [In the coming weeks this "discovery" was

Iraqis were celebrating the coalition invasion. [An

just the day before with the toppling of the Saddam statue.]

report: A mobile bioweapons lab is found. Video of a tiny tan

its cargo bed and fuel tank shot up with bullets after a

definitely a "bioweapons" lab. A graphic sequence is shown of

found. The irony of this escapes the Fox newscasters and

in Mosul. A week later it is briefly conceded that the

ones will pour forth from the landscape continue. The

May 2 by Kurdish fighters.]

running old footage of Saddam Hussein's September 1975 trip

[Because Fox strives so hard to be "Fair and Balanced," it's

trip four years later, this one to Baghdad on December 19,

Rumsfeld (see pic below). The network again, because it's so

about another trip by Rummy to Baghdad, this time on March

used mustard gas laced with a nerve agent on Iranian

gassing, as in 1986 when he was considering a run for the

diplomatic relations with WMD-using Iraq as one of his

attention span. The Fox newscasters rename Jacques

shed near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi

with evidence of chemical weapons. [These were revealed to

my canvassing of all the cable network war coverage, it's

?t greeted with hugs and kisses like he predicted and

places, Davey was all denial. Everything?s going perfect.

that can't be solved by blowing some Iraqi's brains out.]

(along with the whole stash of chemical and biological WMDs

is the same 55 that appeared on the deck of cards and is

Report anchor Shepard Smith completely breaks with any

an excerpt of Robbins' speech to the National Press Club.

of the Iraqi National Museum on the museum staff. [Right

to tell what happened. In a Fox segment on May 19 a

missing. Of course he refused to give a ballpark estimate of

the original estimate was wrong.]

SOBs" and "fanatics." He concludes that "[we] can't

implement democracy, not democracy that gives the U.S. the

quite clear that despite the spinning on The No Spin

the probability of finding WMDs is a 10 out of 10. [This

in the Washington Times on January 7.] O'Reilly states

trouble. O'Reilly promises to explore the issue a month

earlier show he said that U.S. credibility would be "shot"

O?Reilly Factor that "Middle East agents" have told him

captured around May 2) are now buried in the Bakaa Valley in

leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel papers

that's where Vallely got his information].

nefarious captured trailer contains not a shred of evidence of

have been used to make them. [Hmmm. I thought we went to

alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their

banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and alcohol

and Protestant Christians. In New and Improved Neocon

the families of women who refuse to wear the traditional

reluctant concession of unintended consequences.]

that were floated in the U.S. media about France (e.g.,

French companies sold spare parts to Iraq for military planes

helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing them with

Vallely on May 8 on The O'Reilly Factor. Again, the

obvious that the Pentagon is the source of them. O'Reilly

be true. O'Reilly refers to documents that prove that

[Briefed on what?]

could be a fraud, as asserted by the BBC and Los Angeles

that if the U.S. military has concocted a fraud, then it

will happen to them. He says he is skeptical of the BBC and

Transcript here.] Over and over, Hunt calls the

world." He claims that the ambulance with Lynch in it that

$10,000 for information on Jessica, Saddam Hospital was

saved, and coalition forces didn't trash the hospital. What

raid, some of whom are his friends and former colleagues.

they're the best in the world. Why would they make this

goes by far too un-analyzed on Fox every day:]

women in our service, it's an assault on Jessica, it's an

minimum we should no longer buy the L.A. Times, no longer

government issue...this is calling into question the

absolutely unbelievable."

Scheer...he'll just go along blithely printing his lies and

at what they do, but how does it logically follow from that

excessive and unjustified? How is the BBC's story an assault on

issue" given that the U.S. government now controls Iraq?!

How convenient if you're suggesting that it is. Who is

this allegation made its way into any other news reports?]

no terrible scandal precisely because you, Fox News, and

embarrassment to slide into the Memory Hole. This is exactly why

and hypocritical. Instead of plumbing the U.S. military to

al-Houssona as the London Times did on April 16 (where the story was

life instead of the U.S. special ops who could have

before the raid and that Jessica was delivered by an

Marines. Why would he lie? You say you automatically trust

Iraqi soldiers with one hand while severely wounded and tales

and Friends with promises by the show's hosts that he will

anything. He states that he arrived at Saddam Hospital the

hospital, and that he "was told " that the hospital was

y of the hospital staff contradicts this last hearsay.]

no WMDs are found by today. In his Talking Points Memo he

Anthrax and has gotten no leads. He states that more time

that if no WMDs were found after 2 months U.S. credibility

Bush must candidly address the situation soon.

anything.] A video clip on Fox and Friends is shown with Bush

evidence? Two trailers found near Mosul that were supposedly

Miller reports serious doubts by some analysts that the two

about the initial CIA report, it "was a rushed job and looks

herring to suggest WMDs.]

the WMD issue has now been politicized [!!]. The war was

Israelis and that alone made the war worthwhile [?!!]. Also

intelligence was either wrong or more time is needed to

and wounding at least 100. [Looks like the real reason

disintegrated, but don't expect O'Reilly to admit it.]

with unreliable claims, but that didn't stop White

many declarations to build its case for war: There was "no

including nuclear weapons, making it an imminent threat to

al-Qaida; and the invasion would minimize civilian casualties.

were, there was one place where the Bush administration

headed across the desert to Baghdad, the "fair and balanced"

state-run television, parroting the White House's daily

Iraq. Immediately after 9/11, for instance, Fox chief Roger

memo to President Bush saying that America wanted him to

of the Iraq invasion, the Washington Post reported that

editor William Kristol, were "well wired" into the White

officials and "huddling privately" every three months with

from a war in Iraq. Fox News became the White House's most

and out to the American public as fact.

was "no doubt" Iraq had WMD, despite repeated warnings by

As early as August 2002, Fox News contributor Fred Barnes

pursuing aggressively weapons of mass destruction,

reported that "a growing number of experts say that the

pursuing WMD or nuclear weapons. (UPI is owned by the Rev. Sun

ahead. On March 23, 2003, Fox headline banners blared

never panned out. On April 11, a Fox News report announced:

an embedded reporter from the right-wing Richard Mellon

Factor," took to the airwaves on March 4, 2003, to ramp up the

definitively that "a load of weapons-grade plutonium has

Americans that a nuclear device could be planted here."

and neither can anyone else, that we have plutonium

who are certainly capable of aiding and abetting people who

missing in Nigeria. But it was not plutonium, as he claimed,

Americium 241, wholly unsuitable for the creation of the

used for industrial purposes, as opposed to plutonium,

fact, was misplaced by Vice President Cheney's old oil

international bribery investigation by the Justice

connection was nonexistent. Barnes declared on Oct. 9, 2002, that

al Qaeda, the terrorist group that attacked the United

reporting the opposite.

no proof on Dec. 9, 2002, that al-Qaida "obviously has

of a month earlier that found "U.S. allies have found no

2003, that he possessed documents proving a "direct link

disparaged critics of the war, saying, "If you listen to the

been fazed because earlier that month the Miami Herald

connection between Saddam and al Qaeda."

that there was "no evidence linking al Qaeda to Saddam

documents from the 9/11 commission had "undercut Bush

That was of no concern to Fox News contributor Ann

harbored, promoted, helped, sheltered al Qaeda members.

Hannity echoed the administration line, claiming in January

United States will use pinpoint accuracy, like we always

that aid groups estimated "thousands of civilian

Persian Gulf War of 1991."

overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I

again, all right?" This February, on ABC's Good Morning

do you want me to do? Go over and kiss the camera?" But

should be concerned about this, for their families and

day, back on Fox, O'Reilly claimed the controversy over

hammer the President." Then he introduced his next guest on

Instead the talkers blamed others. Hannity said on Aug.

country were wrong about thousands of people [being] dead,

military reports that it "has received more than 15,000

International reporting at least 10,000 civilian Iraqi

anti-Americanism, not only throughout the Arab world, but worldwide

O'Reilly himself. In his column this week, O'Reilly observed,

columnist writing about his or her political preferences.

against every journalistic standard, and it is happening --

enthusiastic participant in the White House's campaign of

radar -- it happened in our living rooms every night.

Reply to
Mark Leuck

Faux News Nitwits has routinely crossed the line for years -- not that you're smart enough to see it.

Reply to
Robert L Bass

What the rest of the world see right now, is that Bush Lied,that's it,don't need to wait till historian finish playing with there ass to know that..

btw most G8 country told USA not to go to war with Iraq under the reason he was pulling off...

Just look about Afghanistan,there was no problem there..every one knew that the taliban there,were a treat for all the occidental country.. why on earth would they have acted differently if there would have been the case for Iraq..

Bush wanted to finish the man off,his father thought that leaving the country in a very bad situation for a long time ,the people from Iraq would get rid of there president,too bad it didn't happen...so he had to finish papa's job..

"Just Looking" a écrit dans le message de news:

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Reply to
Petem

Maybe Bush was mad because Saddam tried to finish off his papa. That even got Clinton's dander up enough to send a few missiles over there to depreciate the value of some Iraqi real estate. You sound angry enough Pete, but just not cynical enough. You need to read 1984, or read it again. The reason the G8 countries didn't want Bush to kick Saddam's ass was they were corrupted by Saddam's oil for food program. They didn't care what happened to Saddam or Iraq. Money talks and BS walks.

Reply to
Roland More

Why are you talking about Bill O'Reilly? He is not a real part of their hard news like say Brit Hume is. You must not have listened to Bill O'Reilly lately (or ever). Right now even you would have a hard time stuffing more crow down Bill O'Reilly's throat about Iraq with what he has already shoved down there himself. He has done such a 180 degree on Iraq he makes you look like a founding member of the John Birch Society by comparison. If Iraq doesn't improve drastically by election season time, I wouldn't be surprised if you two might be supporting the same Democratic candidate in '08. Checked Bush's poll number lately? Even guys like Glenn Beck are accusing him of being corrupt. If you're looking for Fox News to continue to carry water for Bush, you might be disappointed. Fox is very sensitive to ratings. How could it be in their interest to piss off their audience by trying to help out Bush? You seem to think everyone working for or at Fox (News) are a bunch of rats, if so why wouldn't you think they would be jumping off the Bush ship about now? You think too highly of Fox News. They are not in the (Kool Aid) tank like Dan Rather. Dan's problem was he told us what he believed to be true, and what he wanted to be true, instead of what we all could see to be true. Unlike Dan Rather, Fox recognizes BS when they put it out there, and for the most part they stay away from their own Kool Aid. You should listen to Fox for awhile. As the Bush roast gets going in earnest, even you might find yourself gleefully laughing at the TV instead of shouting at it. And if you think you feel a bad change coming on (because Bush's poll numbers come up big time), just listen to NPR straight for a couple of weeks as an antidote and you'll be fine again. Shock and amaze you friends with Bush bashing quotes Fox News style. Trust me, they'll love you for it.

"Robert L Bass" wrote in message news:1Cdqi.3999$7w.3227@trnddc05...

Reply to
Roland More

That is a commonly held misconception. The truth is far more nefarious than that. The Republican party insiders decided to make maximum political gain out of 9/11 from the start. They saw an opportunity to con the American public. It worked. Look at how blindly people of marginal intellect such as Leuck believe everything they say.

That was an appropriate, meqsured response to a planned but not execured attack. The plot against Bush Sr never came to fruition. Had they actually killed him the response would have been different. We would have obliterated them without losing a single American life. Bear in mind, however, that the Iraq War II had nothing to do with the plan to kill the ex-president. It was entirely about political gain.

More accurately, the rest of the world did not support Dubya's War because they saw it for what it is -- a political power grab by a dishonest, stupid Bush and his cohorts. Bush doesn't mind at all that he has killed more Americans than Bin Laden. He doesn't give a rat's bunda about more than a hunderd thousand Iraqis he has killed.

Sounds like a description of Cheney.

Reply to
Robert L Bass

I wasn't. Leuck demanded info on Fox News Lies. I provided it. In typical Leuck fashion, he then whined that I quoted from online sources since he couldn't dispute the veracity of the information provided.

O'Reilly is like the rest of them. He says whatever will make money for him. Right now the whole country is against Bush because people are starting to see that he lied about everything and that he has destroyed our economy, squandered the largest national surplus of any nation in all history (which he inherited from Clinton) and turned it into the largest deficit in all history. People are sick and tired of all the lies from the White House. So guys like O'Reilly (another opportunistic slime) jump right off the Bush-wagon and onto whatever looks promising. If O'Reilly thought he could make that way, he'd apply for a job at BBC.

What makes you think I'm not? :^) I notice that none of the right-wing morons here complain about that though they sure do whine about Hillary changing her stance on Iraq once she learned that all Bush's excuses for it were a pack of lies.

You suppose he'll vote for Hillary? Kewl! :^)

Beck accuses everyone of being corrupt. He's a jerk of the first water

If you're looking for Fox News to continue to carry water for

it be in their interest to piss off their audience by

(News) are a bunch of rats, if so why wouldn't you think

News. They are not in the (Kool Aid) tank like Dan

wanted to be true, instead of what we all could see

and for the most part they stay away from their own

earnest, even you might find yourself gleefully

change coming on (because Bush's poll numbers come

and you'll be fine again. Shock and amaze you

started officially dropping, Fox was spreading all sorts

major U.S. metropolitan areas to spread biological

use against coalition troops in a last-ditch red-zone

to be laughable fantasies, but they were effective in

lies, propagation of lies, exaggerations,

brackets [ ]s."

planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up

detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the

states that coalition forces will drop a MOAB on

me I was unqualified to assess defense matters

the war, and the "real" defense experts made one

sniveling Frumsters cheer on the college-uneducated

view. I do know enough to say that the informed

say the least (given the reports of

Anyway, later reports confirmed that GBU-28 bunker

facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf

trapped. A former UN weapons inspector interviewed

booby-trapping is common. His points are ignored as

another day (March 24). Only weeks later is it

were pesticides.

began one segment with a "Hi there!" ? in no

York. Her bangs are long and constantly blowing in her

out a figure 8 all the while arbitrarily syncopating

(e.g., Bagh-DAD?). The old, white-haired flag-waving

her innocent Britney Spearsesque beauty; i.e., she's

hands fantasize about.]

Baghdad are destroying documents. [How could he know

coalition forces don't "blow up" Al Jazeera TV. [The

between Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV!!!! Juliet Huddy is

Baghdad in which Republican Guard forces were planning to

reports that Iraqi soldiers were seen by coalition forces

discovered a weapons cache of 20 medium-range missiles

chemicals are not "trace elements."

the Memory Hole. The missiles were never mentioned

Baghdad looks strangely sparse despite the network's

there is no mob storming the statue to hit it with

a huge crowd. [I'm perplexed. Where's the huge

Tuwaitha. [In the coming weeks this "discovery" was

were celebrating the coalition invasion. [An

the day before with the toppling of the Saddam

A mobile bioweapons lab is found. Video of a tiny

its cargo bed and fuel tank shot up with bullets

definitely a "bioweapons" lab. A graphic sequence

tiny truck found. The irony of this escapes the Fox

Mosul. A week later it is briefly conceded that

ones will pour forth from the landscape continue.

May 2 by Kurdish fighters.]

running old footage of Saddam Hussein's September 1975

[Because Fox strives so hard to be "Fair and

about another trip four years later, this one to Baghdad

defense Donald Rumsfeld (see pic below). The network

tell its audience about another trip by Rummy to

found that Iraqi forces had used mustard gas laced with

about the charges of gassing, as in 1986 when he was

listed his restoration of diplomatic relations with

attention span. The Fox newscasters rename Jacques

near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi

evidence of chemical weapons. [These were revealed

canvassing of all the cable network war coverage,

weren?t greeted with hugs and kisses like he predicted

places, Davey was all denial. Everything?s going

Iraq that can't be solved by blowing some Iraqi's

(along with the whole stash of chemical and biological

[This is the same 55 that appeared on the deck of cards

Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith completely breaks with

an excerpt of Robbins' speech to the National Press

there, Mr. Smith.]

the Iraqi National Museum on the museum staff.

hard to tell what happened. In a Fox segment on May

missing. Of course he refused to give a ballpark

deny that the original estimate was wrong.]

SOBs" and "fanatics." He concludes that "[we] can't

implement democracy, not democracy that gives the U.S.

it's quite clear that despite the spinning on The No

probability of finding WMDs is a 10 out of 10.

Baghdad in the Washington Times on January 7.] O'Reilly

big trouble. O'Reilly promises to explore the issue

an earlier show he said that U.S. credibility would

O?Reilly Factor that "Middle East agents" have told him

around May 2) are now buried in the Bakaa Valley in

escape to Europe by providing them with travel

that's where Vallely got his information].

nefarious captured trailer contains not a shred of evidence

have been used to make them. [Hmmm. I thought we

alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their

banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and

Catholic and Protestant Christians. In New and Improved

even the families of women who refuse to wear the

reluctant concession of unintended consequences.]

were floated in the U.S. media about France (e.g.,

companies sold spare parts to Iraq for military

helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing

Paul Vallely on May 8 on The O'Reilly Factor. Again,

obvious that the Pentagon is the source of them.

out to be true. O'Reilly refers to documents that

started. [Briefed on what?]

be a fraud, as asserted by the BBC and Los Angeles

if the U.S. military has concocted a fraud, then it

happen to them. He says he is skeptical of the BBC

Transcript here.] Over and over, Hunt calls the

He claims that the ambulance with Lynch in it that

$10,000 for information on Jessica, Saddam Hospital was

and coalition forces didn't trash the hospital. What

some of whom are his friends and former colleagues.

they're the best in the world. Why would they make this

goes by far too un-analyzed on Fox every day:]

women in our service, it's an assault on Jessica, it's

minimum we should no longer buy the L.A. Times, no

to government issue...this is calling into question

absolutely unbelievable."

Scheer...he'll just go along blithely printing his lies and

what they do, but how does it logically follow from

excessive and unjustified? How is the BBC's story an

government issue" given that the U.S. government now

misdeeds? How convenient if you're suggesting that

Why hasn't this allegation made its way into any

terrible scandal precisely because you, Fox News,

embarrassment to slide into the Memory Hole. This is

hollow and hypocritical. Instead of plumbing the

Harith al-Houssona as the London Times did on April 16

actually saved Lynch's life instead of the U.S. special

forces left the day before the raid and that Jessica was

shot at by Marines. Why would he lie? You say you

fighting off 500 Iraqi soldiers with one hand while

Friends with promises by the show's hosts that he

anything. He states that he arrived at Saddam

doctors at the hospital, and that he "was told " that the

[The testimony of the hospital staff contradicts this

WMDs are found by today. In his Talking Points Memo

Anthrax and has gotten no leads. He states that more

said that if no WMDs were found after 2 months U.S.

Memo saying Bush must candidly address the situation

anything.] A video clip on Fox and Friends is shown with

evidence? Two trailers found near Mosul that were

Judith Miller reports serious doubts by some analysts

analyst about the initial CIA report, it "was a

this is another red herring to suggest WMDs.]

WMD issue has now been politicized [!!]. The war

Israelis and that alone made the war worthwhile [?!!].

The intelligence was either wrong or more time is

and wounding at least 100. [Looks like the real

disintegrated, but don't expect O'Reilly to admit it.]

unreliable claims, but that didn't stop White

declarations to build its case for war: There was

including nuclear weapons, making it an imminent threat

al-Qaida; and the invasion would minimize civilian

were, there was one place where the Bush administration

across the desert to Baghdad, the "fair and

caricature of state-run television, parroting the White

Immediately after 9/11, for instance, Fox chief Roger

to President Bush saying that America wanted him to

the Iraq invasion, the Washington Post reported that

editor William Kristol, were "well wired" into the White

officials and "huddling privately" every three months with

from a war in Iraq. Fox News became the White House's

scripts, and out to the American public as fact.

"no doubt" Iraq had WMD, despite repeated warnings

As early as August 2002, Fox News contributor Fred

been pursuing aggressively weapons of mass

which reported that "a growing number of experts

was pursuing WMD or nuclear weapons. (UPI is owned

ahead. On March 23, 2003, Fox headline banners blared

panned out. On April 11, a Fox News report

Sourced to an embedded reporter from the right-wing

debunked by U.S. officials.

took to the airwaves on March 4, 2003, to ramp up

definitively that "a load of weapons-grade plutonium

Americans that a nuclear device could be planted

refute, and neither can anyone else, that we have

Iraq, who are certainly capable of aiding and

in this country."

missing in Nigeria. But it was not plutonium, as he

Americium 241, wholly unsuitable for the creation of

used for industrial purposes, as opposed to

compound, in fact, was misplaced by Vice President

sparked an international bribery investigation by

was nonexistent. Barnes declared on Oct. 9, 2002,

and al Qaeda, the terrorist group that attacked the

reporting the opposite.

proof on Dec. 9, 2002, that al-Qaida "obviously has

a month earlier that found "U.S. allies have found

2003, that he possessed documents proving a "direct

disparaged critics of the war, saying, "If you listen

have been fazed because earlier that month the Miami

provable connection between Saddam and al Qaeda."

that there was "no evidence linking al Qaeda to Saddam

from the 9/11 commission had "undercut Bush

That was of no concern to Fox News contributor Ann

harbored, promoted, helped, sheltered al Qaeda

Hannity echoed the administration line, claiming in

The United States will use pinpoint accuracy, like

noted that aid groups estimated "thousands of

the Persian Gulf War of 1991."

overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I

again, all right?" This February, on ABC's Good

What do you want me to do? Go over and kiss the

Americans should be concerned about this, for their

be." The next day, back on Fox, O'Reilly claimed the

words to hammer the President." Then he introduced

Instead the talkers blamed others. Hannity said on

country were wrong about thousands of people [being]

U.S. military reports that it "has received more than

International reporting at least 10,000 civilian

anti-Americanism, not only throughout the Arab world, but

O'Reilly himself. In his column this week, O'Reilly

candidate or a columnist writing about his or her political

absolutely against every journalistic standard, and it is

enthusiastic participant in the White House's campaign of

-- it happened in our living rooms every night.

Reply to
Robert L Bass

Sounds like your health is really getting better. You're almost back in your old fighting shape. That can only be good news, even for the ones here that seem to despise you. After all, what would they do here on this NG without you?

I don't get it. Is Bush a dunce as you say in some posts, or an evil genius as you seem to suggest here? How can it be both? Let me see. Bush: by day he is a bumbling incompetent, but by night he drinks the blood of innocent Iraqis and becomes the evil "nefarious" Count Bush.

Well keep counting, and when Bush kills more Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians than Saddam did, please let me know.

I know you don't mean to be, but sometimes (as I suspect we do at times ) you make yourself into a silly nonsensical caricature based on your political leanings.

I still don't get it Robert, how do you ever find a way to fly to Brazil? They don't make too many planes that fly with only 2 left wings do they? Does it fly tilted 90 degrees with a fin up or fin down? Maybe if they inverted it?

Reply to
Just Looking

What makes you think I'm not? :^)

You don't hate Bush enough to join and I don't see any black helicopters around your place. If you were a true Birch Society guy, you'd be telling us all about them.

O'Reilly might even start campaigning for her if he keeps this shift up.

If Hillary wins I wonder how much she is going to have to pay the secret service under the table to keep Bill off of the interns under the table?

I think we can agree on one thing. I hope Hillary doesn't let any more cameras film her from a rear angle in the debates, the front is bad enough. My eyes! I couldn't take it. It isn't just her poll numbers that are going up. I wonder if she now has the largest seat available for her broomstick? She needs to paint a whale tail on the back of her stick, or plane (or both) to warn people to scatter when she is coming in for a landing, rather than having to see it for themselves. Poor Bill. My heart really goes out to him. He served this country the best he could for 8 long years and this is his reward? If he didn't have some strange to look forward to, what could he look forward to? He sure would want any part of looking back. You can only do so much with a porno movie and Viagra. I say take him to the chicken ranch to live out his days, and God Bless Bill! That would be one government give away program I could truly support "Chickens for Bill!"

could it be in their interest to piss off their audience by

Fox (News) are a bunch of rats, if so why wouldn't you think

of Fox News. They are not in the (Kool Aid) tank like Dan

what he wanted to be true, instead of what we all could see

there, and for the most part they stay away from their own

going in earnest, even you might find yourself gleefully

a bad change coming on (because Bush's poll numbers come

antidote and you'll be fine again. Shock and amaze you

started officially dropping, Fox was spreading all sorts

dispatch to major U.S. metropolitan areas to spread biological

to use against coalition troops in a last-ditch red-zone

seem to be laughable fantasies, but they were effective in

chronicle of lies, propagation of lies, exaggerations,

in brackets [ ]s."

is planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up

detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the

Bevelacqua states that coalition forces will drop a MOAB on

tell me I was unqualified to assess defense matters

wasn't on the war, and the "real" defense experts made one

these sniveling Frumsters cheer on the college-uneducated

neocon view. I do know enough to say that the informed

puzzling to say the least (given the reports of

Bora). Anyway, later reports confirmed that GBU-28 bunker

100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf

booby trapped. A former UN weapons inspector interviewed

booby-trapping is common. His points are ignored as

yet another day (March 24). Only weeks later is it

facility were pesticides.

network. She began one segment with a "Hi there!" ? in no

New York. Her bangs are long and constantly blowing in her

tracing out a figure 8 all the while arbitrarily syncopating

words (e.g., Bagh-DAD?). The old, white-haired flag-waving

because of her innocent Britney Spearsesque beauty; i.e., she's

their hands fantasize about.]

Baghdad are destroying documents. [How could he know

why coalition forces don't "blow up" Al Jazeera TV. [The

difference between Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV!!!! Juliet Huddy is

Baghdad in which Republican Guard forces were planning to

reports that Iraqi soldiers were seen by coalition forces

discovered a weapons cache of 20 medium-range missiles

chemicals are not "trace elements."

stomped down the Memory Hole. The missiles were never mentioned

in Baghdad looks strangely sparse despite the network's

even then there is no mob storming the statue to hit it with

there's a huge crowd. [I'm perplexed. Where's the huge

at Al Tuwaitha. [In the coming weeks this "discovery" was

Iraqis were celebrating the coalition invasion. [An

just the day before with the toppling of the Saddam

report: A mobile bioweapons lab is found. Video of a tiny

which had its cargo bed and fuel tank shot up with bullets

most definitely a "bioweapons" lab. A graphic sequence

the tiny truck found. The irony of this escapes the Fox

found in Mosul. A week later it is briefly conceded that

real ones will pour forth from the landscape continue.

around May 2 by Kurdish fighters.]

begins running old footage of Saddam Hussein's September 1975

plant. [Because Fox strives so hard to be "Fair and

audience about another trip four years later, this one to Baghdad

defense Donald Rumsfeld (see pic below). The network

forgot to tell its audience about another trip by Rummy to

team found that Iraqi forces had used mustard gas laced with

concerned about the charges of gassing, as in 1986 when he was

he listed his restoration of diplomatic relations with

20-second attention span. The Fox newscasters rename Jacques

shed near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi

with evidence of chemical weapons. [These were revealed

From my canvassing of all the cable network war coverage,

forces weren?t greeted with hugs and kisses like he predicted

other places, Davey was all denial. Everything?s going

problem in Iraq that can't be solved by blowing some Iraqi's

leaders (along with the whole stash of chemical and biological

[This is the same 55 that appeared on the deck of cards

The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith completely breaks with

playing an excerpt of Robbins' speech to the National Press

there, Mr. Smith.]

looting of the Iraqi National Museum on the museum staff.

it's hard to tell what happened. In a Fox segment on May

missing. Of course he refused to give a ballpark

plausibly deny that the original estimate was wrong.]

"ungrateful SOBs" and "fanatics." He concludes that "[we] can't

to implement democracy, not democracy that gives the U.S.

now it's quite clear that despite the spinning on The No

that the probability of finding WMDs is a 10 out of 10.

of Baghdad in the Washington Times on January 7.] O'Reilly

spells big trouble. O'Reilly promises to explore the issue

promise. On an earlier show he said that U.S. credibility would

The O?Reilly Factor that "Middle East agents" have told him

captured around May 2) are now buried in the Bakaa Valley in

leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel

apparent that's where Vallely got his information].

nefarious captured trailer contains not a shred of evidence

could have been used to make them. [Hmmm. I thought we

alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their

banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and

Catholic and Protestant Christians. In New and Improved

violence to even the families of women who refuse to wear the

interesting and reluctant concession of unintended consequences.]

that were floated in the U.S. media about France (e.g.,

French companies sold spare parts to Iraq for military

France helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing

General Paul Vallely on May 8 on The O'Reilly Factor. Again,

thinks it's obvious that the Pentagon is the source of them.

turn out to be true. O'Reilly refers to documents that

war started. [Briefed on what?]

could be a fraud, as asserted by the BBC and Los Angeles

says that if the U.S. military has concocted a fraud, then it

will happen to them. He says he is skeptical of the BBC

[Geez. Transcript here.] Over and over, Hunt calls the

world." He claims that the ambulance with Lynch in it that

$10,000 for information on Jessica, Saddam Hospital was

saved, and coalition forces didn't trash the hospital. What

raid, some of whom are his friends and former colleagues.

world, they're the best in the world. Why would they make this

that goes by far too un-analyzed on Fox every day:]

and women in our service, it's an assault on Jessica, it's

at a minimum we should no longer buy the L.A. Times, no

government to government issue...this is calling into question

it's absolutely unbelievable."

Scheer...he'll just go along blithely printing his lies and

world at what they do, but how does it logically follow from

excessive and unjustified? How is the BBC's story an

to government issue" given that the U.S. government now

possible misdeeds? How convenient if you're suggesting that

Jessica? Why hasn't this allegation made its way into any

be no terrible scandal precisely because you, Fox News,

embarrassment to slide into the Memory Hole. This is

is so hollow and hypocritical. Instead of plumbing the

doctor Harith al-Houssona as the London Times did on April 16

actually saved Lynch's life instead of the U.S. special

forces left the day before the raid and that Jessica was

was shot at by Marines. Why would he lie? You say you

in fighting off 500 Iraqi soldiers with one hand while

Fox and Friends with promises by the show's hosts that he

prove anything. He states that he arrived at Saddam

doctors at the hospital, and that he "was told " that the

him. [The testimony of the hospital staff contradicts this

if no WMDs are found by today. In his Talking Points Memo

Ms. Anthrax and has gotten no leads. He states that more

he said that if no WMDs were found after 2 months U.S.

his Memo saying Bush must candidly address the situation

anything.] A video clip on Fox and Friends is shown with

His evidence? Two trailers found near Mosul that were

Times' Judith Miller reports serious doubts by some analysts

senior analyst about the initial CIA report, it "was a

but this is another red herring to suggest WMDs.]

that the WMD issue has now been politicized [!!]. The war

and Israelis and that alone made the war worthwhile [?!!].

war. The intelligence was either wrong or more time is

15 and wounding at least 100. [Looks like the real

also disintegrated, but don't expect O'Reilly to admit it.]

with unreliable claims, but that didn't stop White

many declarations to build its case for war: There was

destruction, including nuclear weapons, making it an imminent threat

and al-Qaida; and the invasion would minimize civilian

claims were, there was one place where the Bush administration

headed across the desert to Baghdad, the "fair and

caricature of state-run television, parroting the White

Iraq. Immediately after 9/11, for instance, Fox chief Roger

memo to President Bush saying that America wanted him to

eve of the Iraq invasion, the Washington Post reported that

editor William Kristol, were "well wired" into the White

officials and "huddling privately" every three months with

advantage from a war in Iraq. Fox News became the White House's

scripts, and out to the American public as fact.

there was "no doubt" Iraq had WMD, despite repeated warnings

dubious. As early as August 2002, Fox News contributor Fred

has been pursuing aggressively weapons of mass

by UPI, which reported that "a growing number of experts

Iraq was pursuing WMD or nuclear weapons. (UPI is owned

steam ahead. On March 23, 2003, Fox headline banners blared

never panned out. On April 11, a Fox News report

Complex." Sourced to an embedded reporter from the right-wing

soon debunked by U.S. officials.

Factor," took to the airwaves on March 4, 2003, to ramp up

stated definitively that "a load of weapons-grade plutonium

to all Americans that a nuclear device could be planted

cannot refute, and neither can anyone else, that we have

Korea and Iraq, who are certainly capable of aiding and

city in this country."

missing in Nigeria. But it was not plutonium, as he

called Americium 241, wholly unsuitable for the creation of

commonly used for industrial purposes, as opposed to

The compound, in fact, was misplaced by Vice President

Cheney has sparked an international bribery investigation by

connection was nonexistent. Barnes declared on Oct. 9, 2002,

Hussein and al Qaeda, the terrorist group that attacked the

was reporting the opposite.

with no proof on Dec. 9, 2002, that al-Qaida "obviously has

report of a month earlier that found "U.S. allies have found

30, 2003, that he possessed documents proving a "direct

and disparaged critics of the war, saying, "If you listen

may not have been fazed because earlier that month the Miami

provable connection between Saddam and al Qaeda."

reiterated that there was "no evidence linking al Qaeda to Saddam

documents from the 9/11 commission had "undercut Bush

Qaeda." That was of no concern to Fox News contributor Ann

has harbored, promoted, helped, sheltered al Qaeda

Hannity echoed the administration line, claiming in

States. The United States will use pinpoint accuracy, like

Times noted that aid groups estimated "thousands of

Afghanistan or the Persian Gulf War of 1991."

overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I

Administration again, all right?" This February, on ABC's Good

sorry. What do you want me to do? Go over and kiss the

"All Americans should be concerned about this, for their

should be." The next day, back on Fox, O'Reilly claimed the

"used my words to hammer the President." Then he introduced

wrong. Instead the talkers blamed others. Hannity said on

this country were wrong about thousands of people [being]

the U.S. military reports that it "has received more than

Amnesty International reporting at least 10,000 civilian

anti-Americanism, not only throughout the Arab world, but

O'Reilly himself. In his column this week, O'Reilly

candidate or a columnist writing about his or her political

absolutely against every journalistic standard, and it is

enthusiastic participant in the White House's campaign of

radar -- it happened in our living rooms every night.

Reply to
Just Looking

If I give you a little more time you'll go "truther" and say it was Bush who sent the planes into the towers, judging by some of your canned far left Daily KOS responses you are getting close

Reply to
Mark Leuck

Naah. Bush isn't smart enough or even evil enough to do that. Cheney, perhaps.

Reply to
Robert L Bass

Ok i am fine with the fact that he was mad because he tried to kill his father..

but do you send young American dying because of that?

No you send a team of expert go killing the ass hole,even if its illegal,at least you make it clean,you can get caught doing it,but at most its a few life,not thousand,and you dont lie to your poeple to cover lie on lie...etc...

I am not angry,if its what you sens in my post,well i am sorry about it,i am just plain discusted.. i find it very hard to see all those killing for notting..on both side ,every lost is one to much..

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Reply to
Petem

Unless they are jewish according to you from past statements

Reply to
Mark Leuck

On Jul 23, 2:36 pm, "Robert L Bass" wrote:

Again, if that's so, then thank you for the compliment. I seemed to have accomplished doing the same thing you've done is Usenet, for years.

You can deny it all you want but there's clear cut evidence of what you've done over and over again. Clearly with intent and without remorse.

So let's take another walk down........ The BASS WALK OF SHAME.

So that means when someone does a Google search under posts that you've made and the words ......idiot, installers, stupid installers, installers are monkeys, installers are uneducated ....... that we wont come up with any posts like that ..... that you've made. That right?

Now if we were to go back and do a search under your name and the words ..... "years in business" we'd come up with a legitimate time line from when you were convicted for a felony for pulling a gun on someone to the time you were licensed to today. Well, as a matter of fact, I believe Frank has already done that and so have I, to some extent and in spite of your lies, there's no way you could have been in business legitimately for that many years. Also, you're lying when you include the years you've NOT been installing and the last years that you owned your installation business, when you didn't pick up a tool. I'd have to guess, but I'd say that had to be about 3 to 5 years. All totaled I'd have to give you the benefit of doubt and say ..... maybe about 15 to 20 years...... at the most ...... actively installing. The rest is just your typical lies and exaggeration to make yourself more than you could ever accomplish on your own.

I doubt that very much, considering how many people come to this Newsgroup and complain about not being able to get in contact with you. Would you like to see a list of those people? You can't deny it .... can you? Well, I guess you could, but then you know I'd have to post those dratted complaints that have popped up so often ........

All of this can be taken care of in one fell swoop. Do you remember this post ..... out of your past?

BOBO FAQ`s

  1. Who is Bobo? A 100+ hour student pilot who has annoyed a lot of people on rec.aviation.student. Many experienced long-time r.a.s participants have left in disgust or have otherwise been driven off by his actions, leaving this group impoverished. People have observed his behavior here and conclude that he simply lacks the judgement to ever become a pilot.
  2. What is the Bobo Syndrome? There is a cycle that has repeated itself several times. He starts out with congratulatory and encouraging messages. He then starts with his "witty" comments (which can be amusing in small doses). On rare occasions, he even says something sensible. At these incipient stages, he's tolerable. Invariably, he either flames someone or otherwise does something to offend someone who responds in kind. Since Bobo seems to be unable to let go, a feedback loop follows as everyone puts in his own 1. Who is Bobo? A 100+ hour student pilot who has annoyed a lot of people on rec.aviation.student. Many experienced long-time r.a.s participants have left in disgust or have otherwise been driven off by his actions, leaving this group impoverished. People have observed his behavior here and conclude that he simply lacks the judgement to ever become a pilot. 2. What is the Bobo Syndrome? There is a cycle that has repeated itself several times. He starts out with congratulatory and encouraging messages. He then starts with his "witty" comments (which can be amusing in small doses). On rare occasions, he even says something sensible. At these incipient stages, he's tolerable. Invariably, he either flames someone or otherwise does something to offend someone who responds in kind. Since Bobo seems to be unable to let go, a feedback loop follows as everyone puts in his own $0.02. Bobo seems to derive some satisfaction from such fights. Eventually, it oscillates out of control and something happens to cool the flames for a brief respite. The cycle then starts over again. 3. What is a Bobo appology? We don't know. Bobo has claimed to have made some, but no-one's ever seen one. Bobo has at times made vague references to having "made mistakes". 4. Who is Sydney and what happened? Sydney was a knowlegable and active participant until Bobo contacted her employer to complain about her. He claims she was sending harassing email. Even if we take Bass's version of events for the sake of argument (and from email I exchanged with her, I personally find it very hard to believe she was anything but tactful), his reaction was extreme and uncalled for. It also leaves open the question of why Sydney would single him out for such "harrassment". Bobo seems to believe his problems on the net started as a direct result of this incident as Sydney's friends are trying to get even with him for this. He claims his actions were justified and refuses to appologize. He also fails to understand that Sydney's popularity and his ostracism are effects, not causes. Because of this incident, Sydney no longer posts actively. Although her employer apparently did not take Bobo's charges seriously, such accusations even if unfounded usually have grave consequences. The main point about the Sydney incident is that Bobo was a problem on the net before it happened and things merely continued downhill from there. 5. What are some of his other netcrimes? He has: posted hate mail in volatile groups, naming his victims by name and giving their adress, e-mail and phone numbers. Made midnight `phone calls to several members of the ng Mailbombed yours truly (pretty feeble ones, but it`s the thought that counts) On and n and on. 6. Who is Gene and what happenned? Gene is an experienced CFI and long-time participant. He is well known for his valuable contributions on the net and for his disks. He has a non-aviation day job and simply instructs for the joy of it. Gene's disks contain a collection distilled wisdom based on his knowledge and experience. He mails them out on request at no charge. Until 1998 when he ran out of disks, he even paid for the disks and postage himself. Now he just asks people to send him a SASE and blank disks. At one point, Gene sent Bobo his disks, but Bobo subsequently offended Gene (this apparently predates the Sydney incident). Rather than respond in kind, Gene chose to leave and only returned after learning how to set up a killfile entry. After his return, Gene announced the availability of his disks to people who would email their snail mail address. Bobo apparently had lost his copy of Gene's files and requested another copy by posting rather than emailing his address to Gene. Gene deliberately ignored the request, but Bobo obtained the files from a web site that Gene authorized. Despite crticism of the action, Bobo offered to email Gene's files to anyone who requested. He finally agreed to stop if Gene would personally email the request. Later, Bobo claimed Gene had told him the files were compilations and in the public domain. Contrary to Gene's stated wishes, Bass converted the files to HTML, claimed copyright on the HTML version, and posted them, tying up valuable bandwidth. Bobo later claimed he would stop only if people stoped flaming him, in effect holding Gene and the rest of the group hostage. Later, Gene announced the availability of a new revised (1998) edition of his files. Bobo claimed to have obtained a copy from the web site, even though Gene says he never sent it out. Gene subsequently decided that Bobo is dangerous and evil and despite his distaste, started dissecting the various Bobo droppings. He also added his editorial comment, calling Bobo a "vampire". Many newcomers unaware of the history viewed Gene as the agressor in this round. Bobo complained to Gene's server. Because Gene now feels so strongly about the issue, he has asked others to continue posting the vampire message on his behalf. 7. Who is JRJ and what happened? JRJ is a long time contributor to all of the rec.aviation.heirarchy. He`s an experienced Pilot, instructor and restorer of antique airplanes. Bass took exception to some of his posts and nsinuated that JRJ was a liar. When JRJ fought back, Bass contacted his employers at the college where he worked and told them he was messing with company equipment on their time. This was not a big inconvienience to JRJ, but goes to show the small mindednes that Bobo is capapble of. 9. Who is "Larry Laffer"? Larry Laffer is an extremely good looking and intelligent, but fictitious persona posted anonymously apparently by the same individual who posts under the name "Q Salt". The Laffer persona exists specifically to parody Bass's own actions and Laffer himself acknowledges that he posts nothing of value. The seems to be either to hound Bass of the net (unlikely) or to provoke Bass into an action that would get him in trouble with his server (somewhat more likely). 10. What postings did Bass cancel? Lots, in three seperate cancelling sprees. In the first, he just did it, apparently unaware that it was against the policy of the vast majority of usenet hosts. He showed no remorse for this and it was only when his server told him "no more" that he stopped. The second was of Gene Whitt`s repetitive posts against him. These were apparently authorised by Gene`s server, but obviously the authoriser didn`t know Bobo. In the third, Bobo convinced a junior abuse rep at @home to allow him to cancel any posts he didn`t like! This abuse person was reprimanded by a moe senior official and Bobo is on a very short plank if he steps out of line on this or any other score again. 11. Did Bass lose his solo privileges due to a Class C airspace incursion? There are conflicting versions of the story but two things seem to be established facts. There was a serious class C incursion (as in not just clipping a corner) and Bass is currently no longer signed off for solo privileges. 12. Why must Bass leave? He needs to learn how to listen more than he speaks before returning. 13. Why Bass should be ignored? Nothing else has worked. 14. How do I set up a kill file? Go to the ng and hunt around for people who have tread this path before. A search in dejanews will give you some leads on how to set one up. There are a lot of different ways to do so. Alternatively, you can just stay tuned in and let Bobo entertain you!.02. Bobo seems to derive some satisfaction from such fights. Eventually, it oscillates out of control and something happens to cool the flames for a brief respite. The cycle then starts over again.
  3. What is a Bobo appology? We don't know. Bobo has claimed to have made some, but no-one's ever seen one. Bobo has at times made vague references to having "made mistakes".
  4. Who is Sydney and what happened? Sydney was a knowlegable and active participant until Bobo contacted her employer to complain about her. He claims she was sending harassing email. Even if we take Bass's version of events for the sake of argument (and from email I exchanged with her, I personally find it very hard to believe she was anything but tactful), his reaction was extreme and uncalled for. It also leaves open the question of why Sydney would single him out for such "harrassment". Bobo seems to believe his problems on the net started as a direct result of this incident as Sydney's friends are trying to get even with him for this. He claims his actions were justified and refuses to appologize. He also fails to understand that Sydney's popularity and his ostracism are effects, not causes. Because of this incident, Sydney no longer posts actively. Although her employer apparently did not take Bobo's charges seriously, such accusations even if unfounded usually have grave consequences. The main point about the Sydney incident is that Bobo was a problem on the net before it happened and things merely continued downhill from there.
  5. What are some of his other netcrimes? He has: posted hate mail in volatile groups, naming his victims by name and giving their adress, e-mail and phone numbers. Made midnight `phone calls to several members of the ng Mailbombed yours truly (pretty feeble ones, but it`s the thought that counts) On and n and on.
  6. Who is Gene and what happenned? Gene is an experienced CFI and long-time participant. He is well known for his valuable contributions on the net and for his disks. He has a non-aviation day job and simply instructs for the joy of it. Gene's disks contain a collection distilled wisdom based on his knowledge and experience. He mails them out on request at no charge. Until 1998 when he ran out of disks, he even paid for the disks and postage himself. Now he just asks people to send him a SASE and blank disks. At one point, Gene sent Bobo his disks, but Bobo subsequently offended Gene (this apparently predates the Sydney incident). Rather than respond in kind, Gene chose to leave and only returned after learning how to set up a killfile entry. After his return, Gene announced the availability of his disks to people who would email their snail mail address. Bobo apparently had lost his copy of Gene's files and requested another copy by posting rather than emailing his address to Gene. Gene deliberately ignored the request, but Bobo obtained the files from a web site that Gene authorized. Despite crticism of the action, Bobo offered to email Gene's files to anyone who requested. He finally agreed to stop if Gene would personally email the request. Later, Bobo claimed Gene had told him the files were compilations and in the public domain. Contrary to Gene's stated wishes, Bass converted the files to HTML, claimed copyright on the HTML version, and posted them, tying up valuable bandwidth. Bobo later claimed he would stop only if people stoped flaming him, in effect holding Gene and the rest of the group hostage. Later, Gene announced the availability of a new revised (1998) edition of his files. Bobo claimed to have obtained a copy from the web site, even though Gene says he never sent it out. Gene subsequently decided that Bobo is dangerous and evil and despite his distaste, started dissecting the various Bobo droppings. He also added his editorial comment, calling Bobo a "vampire". Many newcomers unaware of the history viewed Gene as the agressor in this round. Bobo complained to Gene's server. Because Gene now feels so strongly about the issue, he has asked others to continue posting the vampire message on his behalf.
  7. Who is JRJ and what happened? JRJ is a long time contributor to all of the rec.aviation.heirarchy. He`s an experienced Pilot, instructor and restorer of antique airplanes. Bass took exception to some of his posts and nsinuated that JRJ was a liar. When JRJ fought back, Bass contacted his employers at the college where he worked and told them he was messing with company equipment on their time. This was not a big inconvienience to JRJ, but goes to show the small mindednes that Bobo is capapble of.
  8. Who is "Larry Laffer"? Larry Laffer is an extremely good looking and intelligent, but fictitious persona posted anonymously apparently by the same individual who posts under the name "Q Salt". The Laffer persona exists specifically to parody Bass's own actions and Laffer himself acknowledges that he posts nothing of value. The seems to be either to hound Bass of the net (unlikely) or to provoke Bass into an action that would get him in trouble with his server (somewhat more likely).
  9. What postings did Bass cancel? Lots, in three seperate cancelling sprees. In the first, he just did it, apparently unaware that it was against the policy of the vast majority of usenet hosts. He showed no remorse for this and it was only when his server told him "no more" that he stopped. The second was of Gene Whitt`s repetitive posts against him. These were apparently authorised by Gene`s server, but obviously the authoriser didn`t know Bobo. In the third, Bobo convinced a junior abuse rep at @home to allow him to cancel any posts he didn`t like! This abuse person was reprimanded by a moe senior official and Bobo is on a very short plank if he steps out of line on this or any other score again.
  10. Did Bass lose his solo privileges due to a Class C airspace incursion? There are conflicting versions of the story but two things seem to be established facts. There was a serious class C incursion (as in not just clipping a corner) and Bass is currently no longer signed off for solo privileges.
  11. Why must Bass leave? He needs to learn how to listen more than he speaks before returning.
  12. Why Bass should be ignored? Nothing else has worked.
  13. How do I set up a kill file? Go to the ng and hunt around for people who have tread this path before. A search in dejanews will give you some leads on how to set one up. There are a lot of different ways to do so. Alternatively, you can just stay tuned in and let Bobo entertain you!

Ok then. Attack.

You are a sick son of a bitch and you just can't seem to figure it out that the majority of people that participate in this Newsgroup are offended by what you've done to people and to this group. You don't seem to be able to figure out that if no one opposed what you've done here, that it would allow a demented asshole, like you, to think (doubtful) that what you are doing is ok. It's not. It isn't. And you will never be able to do anything here without being constantly reminded of what a nasty, rotten f****ng bastard you are. Anyone who comes here is going to be alerted to what you are and there's no way that you can deny, with any credibility, that you aren't a disgusting piece of shit.

All you ever had to do was tone it down a little and you just never would. Now, it doesn't make any difference. You're going to die soon and that'll take care of it.

Thanks for making it a fine outlook for a peaceful future here in ASA,

Another of your lies. Robert is really a very nice person. However, he's got this repetitive problem of trying to jam is radical ideas down the throats of end users who come here as being a viable choice for them. It is not. He has been refuted over and over again by others in ASA and is promoting an idea that goes against every logical thinking business man in this industry.

When he brings up the subject, I refute him at every turn. He doesn't seem to like that, but ..... that's tough.

I can get past that one difference of our opinions. It's him that's having a hard time with it. As long as he doesn't bring up the subject, he'll get no opposition from me. The thing that seems to really stick in his craw, is that I call you what you are, .... a f****ng bastard ....and he doesn't seem to cotton to that. Well, again, that's tough. I could understand him being neutral on the subject of your devastation of this Newsgroup but I really can't help it if he's actually the only one in the group to be dumb enough to be taken in by your lies. But that doesn't make him a bad person. Just gullible.

Oh ..... and if you'd like to carry this a little further, just remain a intelligent as you think you are (obviously not) and keep responding. Every post you make, just gives me another chance to re post all of the things that are stored in the

BASS HALL OF SHAME.

And don't forget to hit your head ....Heh heh heh

Reply to
Jim

"Mark Leuck" a écrit dans le message de news:

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that's were you show us how clever you are..

all this f****ng attitude stuff is just what your president is able to do,and you are one of his best imitation...

you just cant understand that I was just plain in rage on the fact that Israel killed innocent UN member just to make a point,and they also killed innocent Canadian for nothing,if the family they would have killed (Mostly kids) would have been American,I am sure you have run to your telephone and called your chamber representative and ask them to nuke them..

Stop being a damn moron and act like a man...but I am sure that's it would be too demanding of you..

Reply to
Petem

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