Ademco programming

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Hey, I have a really dumb question.  I'm reading that Ademco panels require
a 6139 keypad for programming.  So what if you give the customer a different
keypad?  Are they expected to never reprogram the thing themselves?  Is this
so that they never can?

So I guess if I get a Vista 10, I had better get the 6139 keypad or I'll be
out of luck.  :-)




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As an installing dealer of monitored security and fire systems it's rare to
come across a customer that wants to program (or reprogram) their own
system.  Even on a local panel about the only thing the customer really
needs every once in a while is to change the master or secondary user codes.
On systems that need special programming keys or keypads and the customer
hasn't opted to purchase them, they have no choice but to call the
installing dealer if they want to make any changes.  Besides, it's better
for the customer that *you* do it anyway...




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Being an engineer and also a programmer, it's a natural for me to fiddle
with gadgets.  Yes, I know most people wouldn't want to.  That's great for
*you*!

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Any of the Ademco/Honeywell Alpha (6139, 6160, 6160V) keypads can perform
local programming... FYI: you can use one 6160 (for programming) along with
one or more of the 6150 (cheaper than the 6160) keypads on the same
system......... Good luck with your project, Russ

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If its a local only system that's fine, but the moment you start to "fiddle"
with it you will make your alarm company very nervous.

If you are serious about your own capabilities then go with a much more
advanced system capable of some serious HA and do it all yourself.  I have
dealt with tons of programmers and engineers who think its ok for them to
"fiddle" with it, but remember this.  Almost none of the hard corps
engineering and design firms install and "fiddle" with their own alarm
systems.  These are the guys with nuts and bolts hands on experience, and
tons of it.  They hire a commercial alarm contractor to do it for them.
Only those in alarm system engineering and design seem to installt heir own
stuff much less "fiddle" with it.  A few large companies do have their own
security division with their own installers and troubleshooters, but these
are gusy who just do alarms for them.  Oh, by the way.  I have hired a
couple of these guys, and I was not impressed.

So anyway.  If you really want to "fiddle" with it I suggest you DIY
completely.
--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com




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I do do it all myself.   I don't have an alarm company.  Never did. ( I take
that back, we used to at our old house, and they didn't impress me.)  This
one has worked fine for me for years.  I think you're a little overly
sensitive.

It's not rocket science changing the master code, or the delay time.  And we
added an auto-dialer to page us when it goes off, and that works fine too.
And we saved a lot of money.  Have a glass of wine.  I'm off to do that
myself right now!  :-)

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You "can" program almost the either panel without the 6139, you only need it for
zone programming. Most of the time I don't install a programming keypad, but I
always carry one on the truck...with long alligator clip leads on it. Any user
programming can be done without the 6139. I highly discourage homeowners from
programming their system if I am monitoring it...actually I don't allow it at
all. If this is y our house  you're talking about then install a 6139 or the
newer programming keypad...I think the 6160 can program but double check on
that..I cant remember fer sure.

There's also a secret way of programming without the 6139 but it's kinda goofy,
so I don't do it much.


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You "can" program almost the either panel without the 6139, you only need it
for zone programming. Most of the time I don't install a programming keypad,
but I always carry one on the truck...with long alligator clip leads on it.
Any user programming can be done without the 6139. I highly discourage
homeowners from programming their system if I am monitoring it...actually I
don't allow it at all. If this is y our house  you're talking about then
install a 6139 or the newer programming keypad...I think the 6160 can
program but double check on that..I cant remember fer sure.

There isn't any reliable local alarm company where I live so I installed my
own system.  How good are these online monitoring companies that'll do the
programming remotely for $40 or so? I could take the time to program my
Ademco, but if it's only $40, I wouldn't bother doing it myself. I think the
big risk is whether or not they would lock me out of my panel.

Bob




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I had that 8.95 a month company try to steal a client of mine the other day. I
unlocked the panel so they could try to program it....they totally screwed it
up. I had to go reprogram it, and I ended up with the client back..but a total
waste of my time. So they wasted the client's time by telling him they could
program ANY panel (they couldn't) and they wasted my time as well.

You can't find a reliable company in your area?

A legit company will only lock you out while you are being monitored...and
unlock you when you leave. I do it all the time.



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I had that 8.95 a month company try to steal a client of mine the other day.
I unlocked the panel so they could try to program it....they totally screwed
it up. I had to go reprogram it, and I ended up with the client back..but a
total waste of my time. So they wasted the client's time by telling him they
could program ANY panel (they couldn't) and they wasted my time as well.

You can't find a reliable company in your area?

No, not a single legit company in this area. It's bubba the electrician,
bubba the plumber, bubba the alarm tech. Before installing my system I
called several companies. All of them had the same deal, 2 door sensors and
2 motion sensors and $40 a month monitoring. I explained that I was adding a
room on and wanted to know how expansion would be handled and what if I
wanted the new room hard-wired. Duh, something different than our standard
package? They didn't know and wouldn't do anything except what the sales
people were programmed to sell. Some never called back or simply didn't show
up for the appointment. You seem to think every DIY or homeowner wants $8.95
a month monitoring so you look down on them. I expect to pay a reasonable
fee and get reasonable service. On the other hand, I'm not paying AD* $40 a
month when they can't explain what I'll get.

Bob




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I used my most recent experience as an example.

I guess if these companies have enough monitored clients to be able to sell a
product at such a low rate and still make money so they will be around next
year...more power to 'em. Biggest questions are; what are they not offering,
what are they not doing to save money?...daily test signals? physical service
calls? no local licenses?...they got to be cutting corners somewhere.
Personally, I always try to do business with someone I can talk to and
physically meet with if I need them.

In your case, being in an area where you can't find a reliable company there may
be no alternative. Where are you located anyway?







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Rural Tennessee, the meth capital of the world.

Bob






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Here's a place to start looking. While being a member of the NBFAA does not
guarantee anything...

http://www.alarm.org/member_companies/member_listings/tn.htm

maybe you can find someone this way.

I quit my association when it became just a mutual-admiration coffee klotching
political bullshit society :-)


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Hey, now you're also describing 1-CANASA up here....(why I won't
join)....and...2- The Association of Ontario Locksmiths (exactly why I
quit....)

IMO, both these organizations do nothing but cash your cheque. The real
issues that threaten our industry don't even get addressed unless they are
dragged into them....

R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
www.homemetal.com


I quit my association when it became just a mutual-admiration coffee
klotching political bullshit society :-)






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I was a member of local, national and nfpa for abt 15 years abt 10 years ago it
seemed the local became so self serving and the national was all about the trips
to Hawaii for the big mucky mucks. Too much hot air fer me.



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You quit when they stopped serving alcohol. Mikey (a reliable source
when it comes to drinking) told me all about your penchant for the
grape, RHC :-)
And it's CHECKS not CHEQUES! Damn Canucks.



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Do NOT come up here without cheque with me first.
I will show you BEER with real alcohol and WIMMEN with real teats!

and what was the fucking hold-up with letting us into your spelling bee?
I mean really, to think you bastids almost disqualified us with that ZED
thing instead of that fairy ZEEE thing you do, Jeeeeeze


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And what the hell is this "I'll be there in two two's" nonsense?
Do you canucks mean tutus?
Real BEER doesn't have a fucking Moose on the bottle.
When RHC gets permission to hang out with you next time take him to
Bennigans and order a Samuel Adams. Damn you Canayjuns are whipped.
:-)



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Ok, thanks.  My boss is putting a system in his newly remodeled house, and
since he's an engineer, I'm telling him he can do it himself.  You know,
engineers are all weinies (<----sp).  I was going to recommend the Ademco
Vista 20SE to him, since he can get 16 hardwired zones with an expander.
Then I noticed the note in the installation guide that says you need the
6139 for programming.  I guess there's nothing wrong with them, I mean they
aren't uglier than the other keypads, are they?

You "can" program almost the either panel without the 6139, you only need it
for zone programming. Most of the time I don't install a programming keypad,
but I always carry one on the truck...with long alligator clip leads on it.
Any user programming can be done without the 6139. I highly discourage
homeowners from programming their system if I am monitoring it...actually I
don't allow it at all. If this is y our house  you're talking about then
install a 6139 or the newer programming keypad...I think the 6160 can
program but double check on that..I cant remember fer sure.

There's also a secret way of programming without the 6139 but it's kinda
goofy, so I don't do it much.


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Engineers are weenies, but he can do it himself...if he speaks or at least can
read Alarmlish :-)

Go with the 6160's they're more modern looking than the 6139.
You may wanna go with the Vista 20P, newer, more zones, and does a little more.


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