PR: Brinks vs. Tech-man.com

LOL!

Damn good point though.

I wanna know how you responded to each of these letters. I suppose that because Black and Decker owns the patent on their drills, I should be shipping back the ones that don't work anymore...

Frank....

And everyone.

These banters are subject to his case.

Think before you write.

Jim....

~You better tell that herd what to do~

Wow, they're setting you up. I hope you are NOT responding on your own, but with an attorney. The copyright issue will be the nasty one. The rest is kinda bullshit.

I removed the links to their user manuals. But that doesn't mean I still can't list them. As you all remember, I have been down this road before.

Jim Rojas

Only if he charges for the manuals. They're freely available as PDF's all over Internet and Usenet (heck, I'd even post 'em on

If Jim has come into possession of a Brinks programmer and decides to "rent" it out, that's his business. It's up to Brinks to provide proof of actual ownership of said programmer (they'd have to charge every employee that failed to return one with theft to make it stick). Their "logo" on the equipment has no more weight regarding "proof of ownership" than "DSC's", "Maytag's", "Zenith's", "Ford's", etc., but "Property of Brinks" (with a "return if found" address or toll-free phone number) certainly would.

The Patent is certainly valid, but that doesn't infer ownership of the equipment either, only the "technology" behind it and the ability to produce (manufacture) more.

Jim,

Do you mind if I use those letters from the Brinks attorney in my (to counter the customer statement, "Brinks maybe a better deal) Sales presentation... They're GREAT letters when it comes to showing a potential customer that they'll NEVER OWN their system if they choose Brinks....... PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!

Regards, Russ

Be my guest.

Jim Rojas

So if I'm to understand your response correctly, you're saying "F--K YOU" Brinks. You just decided to drag the response out a bit :-))

Cool........ IT WILL COME IN HANDY... Thank you Brinks :-))

I can use anything you have no use for. Brinks panels aren't environmentally friendly.

Jim Rojas

i'd offer to sell it all back to them if they really want to get it off the market. .

If the environmentally active folks ever get RoHS rules passed here like the EU has, I wonder how fast these same lawyers would be backing off the ownership claim and with what arguments. When someone claims some lingering health issue because their kid ate part of some gear that Brinks "always owned" seems like the once clear ownership thing would get pretty cloudy mighty fast. Are you really hurting Brinks that much with your web site? If these are real attorneys, and not just guys not even listed on the mast head at some large firm, then I guess you've cost Brink's about $25K so far. I mean the attorney has to research it, then send a letter to the client, get approval, modify the response, get approval, send the letter, write the report, lay out a roadmap of future plans etc. and billing every single second of the way. I'd say to Brink's send me the cash instead of the dope you're sending it to now and I'll stop today. It seems like the posture Brink's is taking today may be the same one that has then doubled over in pain with by tomorrow. I don't know how Brink's "lock out" policy will stand up against some of the new rules in many places that state you can not lock a customer out of his gear. It will be interesting to see what side's attorney gets their gonads bitten off in that dog fight. On second thought I doubt there would ever be a convincing victory for either side because lawyers, just like dogs, don't seem to like it when they only have their own butts to lick and smell.

"Jim Rojas" wrote in message news:jKU0h.22068$ snipped-for-privacy@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...

Jim I whish you luck. I am tired of all this exclusive panels lockout codes etc. That are meant for only one thing to lock out compeitition. If it is to promote professional installation and service I just do not see it. yes some do provide excelent installing and serice many do not. The equiptment I install is 100% over the counter buyable and I could have accounts taken at any time for any reason. This is why I have to stay on top of things and provide excellent service. Something many in the industry seem to fail to understand. How many authorised etc. dealers I will no longer work for because they are pigs with there service and installs. Something I can never understand and that goes for the installers and techs as well if you do not like your pay or what your doing or having to follow codes and rules etc do us all a favor and go somewhere else and do something else for a living. We are suppose to be in the life safety buisness something too many in out Industry do not get.

Not to mention: do they even have a CLUE as to what are the ONLY 2 methods acceptable for renewing contracts? Any OTHER way and......VOID, VOID, VOID! How about this little flyer from the State regarding-----hmmm lockout codes and panel ownership?

antique equipment. Brinks claims they own all

good laugh... :) Enjoy!

The solution is easy, Jim. Drop the manuals from your offerings but continue to offer reprogramming services. They may claim to believe that the process of altering memory of the chips is a violation of the copyright act, but it's not.

If their ex-customers come to you unsolicited (by you) after Brinks is no longer providing service to them, there's no basis for a tortious interference claim.

As you know, they own the manuals and if they want to make a stink about it they can. Other than that, they're just huffing.