Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning

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Gentlemen,

Have been using the product line for about twenty years. I have an
existing NX8E system in a historic mansion cotaining wireless door
xmitters and wireless motion detectors, along with some wired door
switches, and GSM backup. Two keypads are NX148E and NX148E-RF.

The owner, a non-profit, will be conducting public tours throughout
the house, except for six rooms wherein there will be displayed a
great deal of valuable art.

They would like us to install wireless MD's and door xmitters in each
room. They would like also to be able to lock these rooms and arm the
detectors during the tours, and I assume at the same time when the
remainder of the mansion is fully armed.

I am familiar with the procedures for bypassiing groups of zones using
the STAY button, or by bypassing individual zones.

I have never used the partitioning feature. I have talked to tech
support and received a few instructions, that I have not tried. I
would like someone from this group to make a copy of a customer's
programming sheet, minus the personal and sensitive info. By loading
this programming to an NX8E on my test bench, I can better understand
much more quickly the basics of partioning and I should be able to
modify the settings for my particular use.

My plan is to install a 2nd NX148E adjacent to the existing NX148E,
attached to the same buss, that would arm/disarm the above mentioned
doors and MD's. There would also be a differnt code to arm/disarm the
six rooms, and known only to select employees.

Thanks in advance,
Charlie

Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On 1/4/2017 4:22 PM, chasbo@shore.net wrote:
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Charlie,

There are a multitude of ways to set up partitioning on your bench.
Just program one or two zones to partition 2 and play with it.
You really don't need an extra keypad.  Just use the command *1 to make  
the keypad
a master keypad and then choose which partition you want to control.

If you have been using the product line for twenty years, then you have  
a good
copy of DL900.  Set it up an play.  Make all the mistakes you want since
making mistakes is the best teacher.

Good Luck.

Les

Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On 01/04/2017 02:09 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
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The use of the LCD keypad as a master is confusing, and acknowledged by  
GE, UTC, etc.  You will see what I mean when you bench test your system.  
  I suggest you add an LED keypad and allocate it to only the partition  
in the high security area.  Also you might want to put that keypad _in_  
the secured area near the door with a short entry delay (10 seconds).  
If you want to go the Master Keypad route with an LCD keypad, consider  
creating written instructions for the user, then try arming/disarming it  
with your dumbest mindset, using those instructions.

Hope that helps,
John
American Sentry


Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On 1/8/2017 5:04 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
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John,

Everyone has their opinion but using a NX148E addressed to Partition 1 and
the *1 code command make it quite simple to use with multiple partitions.
With just 2 partitions it is a cake walk.

I presently have a building with 8 partitions and about 95 users and  
except for a
few dumb moments it has been doing just fine for the past 6 years or so.  
  There are
a total of 6 LCD keypads along with NX216E's and NX507E doing a  
multitude of magic
tricks.

Anyhow to each his own.

Have a good week.

Les

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Thank you Les and John.

I will try both ways to see which is the best for my customer. I lean
toward the use of an LCD pad with a separate arm/disarm code, placed
within one of the five high-value rooms on the second floor. A second
LCD will be mounted adjacent to the existing LCD on the first floor at
the extreme opposit end of the mansion.

The existing pad arms the doors and motion detectors, a system that
has been installed for several years.

The two pads to be installed in concert with the wireless door
switches and wirelesss MD's in the five rooms will be prorammed to
require the entry of the code in order to view/scroll the zone
descriptions.

Assuming that the employees will be instructed to use either of the
two new LCD's to arm and disarm the five 2nd floor rooms, what part,
then, does the existing LCD play? Does the existing pad also
arm/disarm the five rooms?  

The existing system is in partition one.  Should I place the five
rooms in partition two? Or make the existing system partition two and
the five doors partition one?

Thanks again,

Charlie

Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On 1/10/2017 2:57 PM, chasbo@shore.net wrote:
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Charlie,

No sense to reassign the existing zones already in place, just add the
new as needed.

Don't know the layout and the traffic pattern so if your adding a 2nd LCD
that is convenient to the new area then address a device 208.  Then a
code that is assigned to both areas and is used at that keypad will just
disarm that area.

I am using the word <area> instead <partition> because it is easier to type.

Set it up on your bench and play with it.

Les

Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:57:19 PM UTC-5, cha...@shore.net wrote:
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UN -- Fricken ---- believable!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
Hi Charlie,

I am surprised that you have used Caddx/Networx/Interlogic for 20 years and
 have never had an extra partition, ever.
You need to simplify this in your head. You are making this 2nd partition h
arder than it is.
If you can understand that you could add an extra mainboard with its own kp
 and some wireless zones, whether they are doors or motions, and just use i
t for those "high security rooms", 'a separate system'; then you should be  
able to figure out in the programming sheets where to put the info that you
 need for partition 2. You assign your new kp or kpads to the 2nd partition
. You assign your zones to partition 2. You will want to make this for your
 customer to be brain-drain neutral. If you are fuzzy on the subject, your  
customer is going to be way worse. You just tell them to use "new keypad" f
or those new rooms security. Just put a big label on it that states that si
mply. I would not rely on them understanding anything else, unless you don'
t mind getting calls all the time. They are unfortunately, "Untrained Minds
 devoid of logical thinking" with keypad phobias and irrational fears.
Now back to you, you need to find the sections in the programming sheets th
at have to do with partition 2. It is not that hard to find and it is very  
logical. Just find the partition selection in the book for the zone numbers
 that you want to use for those new zones. Of course, you will assign the z
one types also. Even an NX6 has room for 2 partitions, you would use locati
on 26 and 28 for partition selection. As everyone has said, get another boa
rd and 2 keypads and some wireless contacts and program the thing until it  
works offsite. Then you can go onsite and zip thru it...and look like you k
now what you are doing.

...If you freeze up onsite, just go back and forth to your van a few times,
 get on the phone to tech support, push any buttons for the phone menu, and
 then exclaim out loud within earshot  of your customer, "They gave me the  
wrong parts again!"    Warning! I would not use this one more than once tho
ugh.

As Bill Murray famously said in "What about Bob"...Baby steps, install kp,  
baby steps, connect kp to board...etc      

Not trying to be smart, just hoping that humor will calm your mind.


Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On 1/14/2017 2:14 AM, E DAWSON wrote:
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Dawson,

Personally I have a feeling that this Charlie is jerking a chain or two.
Either he is having a serious fear of the unknown that in this business
can be suicide or he is playing dumb expecting someone else to figure it
out for him.  It would seem to me if he really needed help he would be back
here asking for more typing details.

Either way the old saying that has been said here a few times as I remember
may apply.  "I can explain it to you, but, I can't understand it for you."

Have a good weekend.

Les

Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
Yes, I agree Les. I do not really believe that he is actually a technician.
  

 1. He said that he has been using (not installing) this product line.
 2. An installer would not need to state that he is familiar with the Stay  
button...really.
 3. He requests a copy of a customer's programming sheet minus the personal
 and sensitive info... I don't know any installer who actually keeps 'a cus
tomer's programming sheet', and even if you did, there is nothing really pe
rsonal to it except the account number and telco. I keep one installer's ma
nual for each brand that we use with all the notes possibly needed for resi
dential, commercial, dual lines, triple lines with IP/cellular backup, and  
on and on. But a customer's individual sheet...I don't think so.
4. He is 'loading' the programming... and can better understand more quickl
y!!! The best way to understand is not thru download or a computer input, b
ut by actual keypad input following the installer manual.
5. Asking if you should keep the existing system in Partition 1 or switch i
t to Partition 2 is a really odd question at best.

He does not exhibit much knowledge nor understanding if he is an installer.

...I would not feel very comfortable if I was his customer at the moment.

Now maybe this could actually be a top-secret covert operation orchestrated
 by none other than the R_u_s_h_Y_u_n_s. I'll have to talk to the big 'D' a
bout this. As soon as I get a Tweet back, I will let you know.

Have a good weekend also.


Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On 1/14/2017 8:56 PM, E Dawson wrote:

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Now that is very funny!!  Even for this group.
Times are a changing.


Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:56:48 PM UTC-5, E Dawson wrote:
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y button...really.
al and sensitive info... I don't know any installer who actually keeps 'a c
ustomer's programming sheet', and even if you did, there is nothing really  
personal to it except the account number and telco. I keep one installer's  
manual for each brand that we use with all the notes possibly needed for re
sidential, commercial, dual lines, triple lines with IP/cellular backup, an
d on and on. But a customer's individual sheet...I don't think so.
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kly!!! The best way to understand is not thru download or a computer input,
 but by actual keypad input following the installer manual.
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 it to Partition 2 is a really odd question at best.
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r.
ed by none other than the R_u_s_h_Y_u_n_s. I'll have to talk to the big 'D'
 about this. As soon as I get a Tweet back, I will let you know.
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HA HA HA!    VERY funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I said  

Un -- Fricken -- believable!!!!!!!!

If this guy is in the alarm installation business I pity his customers and  
finally realize that sometimes the horror stories are true.  

He's been using a product for 20 years????  

I'd like to know what the hell he's been using it for. In a historic mansio
n yet!!!!!! Holy CRAP!!!

Also I am really ... really .... truly ashamed that anyone reading this thr
ead might take away the idea that there are more of him in this trade than  
any true professional would like to think there is.

Jeeeze! how embarrassing!  

Maybe it's time to retire.

I used to wonder where crotchety old men came from ..... now I know.

Re: Interlogic/Caddx NX8E Partioning
On 1/15/2017 4:07 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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Hey,  I been keeping programming sheets on customer panels installed for  
38 years..
( just in case I ever had to verify the settings or reprogram  one on  
the bench for 'one of the boys' to replace.. )
((Had a customers kid try his hand at programming one time,  came in  
real hand that day))

But I can see your point..

RTS

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