if I were paying someone I would want hard wired. Anybody can lick and
stick wireless devices to the wall and in a few years they will be obsolete
just like computers. With hard wired in a few years if something quits
working you still have the hardwired backbone that you can use and just
replace a relatively inexpensive sensor. With wireless you are apt to have
to replace everything if the company that made the equipment has gone to
some newer technology and no longer supports the old stuff.
You're absolutely right about obsolescence being a factor when
considering wireless alarm systems, but I just thought I'd let you in
on my experiernce through the years.
Ademco came out with the 5600 series wireless system ( I think) in the
late 70's early 80's. It was (for it's time) the best that had been
developed up till then. We (installers) didn't even consider
obsolescence being a factor, because it was a new technology and ......
well it just didn't occur to anyone at the time.
Through the years, the product worked ok for it's time and most of the
bugs were worked out as far as the technology would allow for the time.
As time passed, the rumor got out that the FCC was going to shut down
the frequency that the 5600 used. Those who didn't have the foresight,
just cried and moaned and used it as an excuse to replace entire
systems. I, among others, started gathering parts and through the
remaining years, held on to the parts from abandoned and replaced
installations. At the present time, I've still got installations with
the 5600 technology all working fine and still have a stock pile of
parts to support them. Amongst the group of friendly competitors
locally, we occasionally trade parts for some of the older systems that
we've installed through the years. Yes, it will eventually end but at
least I've been able to support my customers who believed in me. By the
time I run out of parts, they'll either be long gone or it'll be time
for an up grade anyway. 25 to 30 years is WAY more than a resonable
amount of time to support a product and for a client to expect a system
If you or anyone is using wireless and have a fear of the obsolescent
boogyman, take note. There is a way to get around it.
If it can be wired, do so. Assuming you're talking to an ADT
"authorized dealer" rather than ADT Corporate, I'll also advise
you to take more bids. Jim Rojas, one of the folks who posts
here, is in your area. He's a decent guy. If he doesn't join
this thread, contact me and I'll give you his phone number.
"Robert L Bass" wrote in message
You got to be kidding me! You would just give out someones phone number to
anyone on the net. I think he email would do just fine. Do you know anything
about this person. What if Jim has a problem with this? And you have access
to peoples credit card numbers? I can see it now after a few brief emails
with someone on the net, "Wow, you seem to be a great guy, here are a couple
of credit card numbers on me". To everyone else, I know RLB has me
filtered, so please pass along. Maybe if he receives it 15 or 20 times, he
will get the message. Thanks!
obviously you are an extraordinary security provider. :)
I'm sure you agree that hardwired is better even without obsolescence
factored though, as long as it can be hardwired. poster is in FL I think
and those houses are not always easy to hardwire what with no basements and
tile floors especially in a 2 story so he may have to go at least partially
RLBs fragile ego won't allow him to filter anyone, he will ignore, but not
someone until he thinks he can score a point against them and then he will
On a side note I claim the dubious honour of being the first person in this
group that RLB claimed to have filtered back in 1998 what a hoot.
When it comes to Residential, wireless usually has more supervision of
detection devices than wired systems do... However, if installing companies
would properly terminate wired devices, the opposite would be
Awwww shucks ...... twarnt nuffin!
Wired is always the first choice. But it gripes me when I see wireless
getting a bad rap by people who don't know how to install it. If done
properly, except for battery changing, it's just as reliable and has
some additional features and capabilities that hard wire doesn't.
Yeah. And I certainly wouldn't want to be crawling if a crawl space,
under a house that's in Florida. :-o
If you can afford the cost of post wiring a house go for wired. If not
wireless is a very effective solution.
These days most clients I have don't want to have me crawling around
they're house for 3 or 4 days trying to post wire an impossible home...much
less pay me do a wired job when we can install 20+ opening wireless in 4-8
| Having a security system installed in my house. ADT
| is pushing for wireless. I thought hard wired was better
| Any help is appreciated
Considering that in most cases (according to an installer I work with
who worked in Fl for years) you would be crawling through soggy dirt
under a concrete slab. ;-)
The Company I work for balances the man hours it will (probably) require
to run a wire -vs- the cost of the wireless component and that is the
determining factor. If a salesman spec's a wired door contact in a door
over a finished basement with no way to go up - we put in wireless.
On the side I do telephone, cable and data network wiring in homes. I
frequently do basedboard or crown mold shots that can get me anywhere in
I need in most houses. It is time consuming, but my customers
appreciate that there is no wired stapled wasit high around the outside
of their home. I am willing to do the same to wire a security system
but my boss prefers to go wireless.
Just curious Crash, when you send out your installer, do you send them
out alone or in teams?
Obviously the size of a job has an affect, huge jobs of course a team
and tiny ones solo...
But for an average job...
Crash Gord> If you can afford the cost of post wiring a house go for wired. If not
Wellll, one would "think" that two men on a job would cut the time in
half..but it doesn't. I guess yakking and donut eating may have something to
do with it.
But since I like to get most jobs done in one day, I usually send two guys;
installer/techy + helper. Or me and a helper :-)
Since down-sizing 6 or so years ago, I don't run big crews anymore...just
small family company. I'm having fun again! I even go out on rough-ins
(which I hate) but it's good excercise for this old fart.
| Just curious Crash, when you send out your installer, do you send them
| out alone or in teams?
| Obviously the size of a job has an affect, huge jobs of course a team
| and tiny ones solo...
| But for an average job...
| Crash Gord|
| > If you can afford the cost of post wiring a house go for wired. If not
| > wireless is a very effective solution.
| > These days most clients I have don't want to have me crawling around
| > they're house for 3 or 4 days trying to post wire an impossible
| > less pay me do a wired job when we can install 20+ opening wireless in
| > hours.
| > | Having a security system installed in my house. ADT
| > | is pushing for wireless. I thought hard wired was better
| > | Any help is appreciated
| > |
| > |
innoculous ~ when someone pokes you in they eye by accident?
| Make that innocuous, not innoculous
| Doug L
| > RLBs fragile ego won't allow him to filter anyone, he will ignore, but
| > filter
| > someone until he thinks he can score a point against them and then he
| > respond.
| > On a side note I claim the dubious honour of being the first person in
| > this
| > group that RLB claimed to have filtered back in 1998 what a hoot.
| > and the fairly innoculous post that provoked it
| > Doug L
| >> You got to be kidding me! You would just give out someones phone number
| >> to
| >> anyone on the net. I think he email would do just fine. Do you know
| >> anything
| >> about this person. What if Jim has a problem with this? And you have
| >> access
| >> to peoples credit card numbers? I can see it now after a few brief
| >> with someone on the net, "Wow, you seem to be a great guy, here are a
| >> couple
| >> of credit card numbers on me". To everyone else, I know RLB has me
| >> filtered, so please pass along. Maybe if he receives it 15 or 20 times,
| >> he
| >> will get the message. Thanks!