why ground an alarm panel.

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You and s*it-for-brains can make a killing going into business together grounding panels. As far as I know, his felony record would not prohibit him from jamming copper rods in soil. Good luck with that.

Why ground a panel? Protect from surges of profanity? Profanity identifies a person who promotes myths he cannot defend. Personal insult to prove his superiority.

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What's your point? Ground your panel and get on with your life. I've grounded 5 panels in 22 years, all of which were hit by lightning. Now I'm living on the edge. Some of us are crazy that way. Move on....who cares.... At least you've discovered one of several uses for profanity...

I think you're mistaken.

At any gathering, when a bore just wont shut up, about somethng devoid of interest, the first step is to just ignore them.

Second step is to walk away ( not feasable in this venue)

Third step is to tell them to f*ck off.

Seems to me, due process has been accomplished.

That don't work remember?

Shhhhhh! Don't confuse him, he thinks he's...,well.....lucid. js

This has been interesting. I'm visualizing a customer that calls a professional alarm installer, an alarm pro, not some person that doesn't know what they are doing. The customer says, "... And I also want a sensor on this interior closet door here, I really do." The alarm pro, knowing that all approaches to this door are covered, sees no logical reason for a sensor on that door and instead of just agreeing to install the magnet (oh wait, I can't resist, I should have said pushpin or magnet so that I could kick off that heated debate), wiring the zone, charging the customer, and getting on with life. The alarm pro decides to discuss this with the customer and debate the issue. The customer is polite but really does want it and just wishes that the professional they hired to do a job would just wire the door and get on with it. I'm curious, how many of you have cursed a customer to their face because they wanted an alarm feature that you just couldn't figure out their reason for wanting it? Thanks all, I am amazed at the direction this thread has taken.

First off, anyone who curses a customer to his face deserves whatever he gets !!

Secondly, I always approach a security situation on the basis of there being two levels of protection applying - "what the customer needs" based on my assessment of the physical situation and his expectations for the services being proposed, AND "what the customer wants" after discussions with the client. I will go so far as to politely tell the client that what he is proposing could be considered overkill given the situation,and tell him the reasons why. But when push comes to shove, the client is the one who makes the decision and the one who pays the bill. I can recommend, but he is the one who will be using the services. I do make it a practice to work from the bottom up price wise, not from the top down !!

However, if the client chooses far less than what he needs, I simply point out the security flaws in his approach and warn him. In some cases, I'll choose to pass the business by if what he proposes is too far out of line. There's lots of business around; why take on something you can't personally stand behind.....

RHC

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I was thinking more along the lines of someone that is getting a thorough and adequate installation, and wants just one more sensor and it doesn't make any sense to the installer.

An analogy might be if Bill Clinton had wanted magnets on the doors to the windowless hallway outside the oval office. Anybody knows that the secret service provides pretty good security around that house and a windowless hallway isn't that big a security threat. Bill has his reasons for wanting them, and he is probably not going to feel the need to explain himself. Would some of you argue with him and berate him or would you just install them and get on with life?

Pardon the political angle, I was just trying to think of a famous area that doesn't need a magnet switch on a door.

I think the same logic applies. Advise the client, but if he still wants it, and it doesn't actually do any harm, then the client is the one to make the final decision.

RHC

I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?

That's easy....just do bid work.

If someone had alerted Hillary about Bill's security "concerns", she might have seen that he spent more time doing his job, and not diddling interns. js

You remember it, you stupid f*ck.

You're the one who hypocritically says that everyone should ignore, but you can't seem to follow your own advice.

I didn't mention that when dealing with a stupid slug like you

don't waste any time ....... just go directly to the last step.

F*ck off!

And you think that sucking someones c*ck is a great Christmas present.

You still seem to be fixated on homosexual behavior. Why is that.....eh gramps? js

As usual, those 'bored' with technical fact would also liberally use insults and profanity. Again demonstrates why grounding the panel, as defined in earlier posts, is actually important and why some deny this with more insults and profanity.

Lurkers are encouraged to learn why that ground> You remember it, you stupid f*ck.

Meeee?

You're the c*ck sucker!

Just because you're fat, prematurely old looking and bald, you don't have to go down on every guy you meet, just to make friends, ya know.

But, regardless , whether it's you giving blow jobs, of making snotty remarks, eventually you just may discover it's better if you keep your mouth shut.

Haaaahahahahahaha, nope. Not in your lifetime, dad. You don't run anything here but your mouth. js

I'd be more happy to see a system installed, or even wired correctly, grounding is the least of this Industry's problems. Grounding has little to do with a superior installation. But you would probably know that if you actually did this for a living....anyone can read things; live with it and gain experience, then you can have the wisdom to teach others, instead of preaching to others.