Can security experts break an ADT alarm system

How are you defining "security experts"? Professional theives would have to know the panel's telephone number, unique CSID, and downloading code. They'd also have to know what kind of security system you have because one manufacturer's downloading software won't work with another.

As far as licensed security professionals go, it *is* possible to disable a system remotely but they wouldn't dream of doing something like that. We're in the business of *protecting* people. Your question is like asking a Police officer if he would ever rob a bank.

It depends on how ADT programmed the system. You can "quick arm" most controls without a code (that feature is activated by your installer). You will need the code to *disarm* the system. The installer code will

*not* disarm the system if it's armed with a regular user code on an Ademco, First Alert, or FBI panel with the exception of some of the smaller systems where the installer code is also the master code (Vista 10 for instance).

It's possible, anything is possible.

If it's programmed not to require a code to arm (called Quick Arm) you don't need a code to arm in Stay or Away modes. Normal?...dunno, personally I don't allow for Quick Arm too many false alarms from; kids pushing buttons, people moving into a new house and never bother to call us on how to use the system, and just plain idiots pushing buttons to see what they do.

What is a unique CSID and where can I find it on my system and where can I find the downloading code ?

Would I be able to change the downloading code myself without a security installers help ?

Yeah but not every cop is a good one. If the world is that perfect, people wont suffer, dont you think.

The smaller Ademco panels won't display it. You'd need access to installer level programming to recover it on the bigger stuff and then you'd only be able to do that if the "view" feature was "enabled" in programming.

Yes. If you had access to installer level programming.

People "suffering" and "crooked" cops are two entirely separate issues.

You have to remove the panel from the wall. The CSID is engraved on the back of the can. The downloading code is the CSID backwards.

No.

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It's far more likely that a thief would attempt to disable the system locally than try to hack it remotely. ADT uses a special version of the remote DLL software used to remotely program alarm panels. Occassionaly you'll see someone here ask for a copy and be told that there aren't any. AFAIK, there aren't any copies floating around out there and you can't reprogram an ADT panel remotely without it. I would be much more concerned with the possibility that the link to the monitoring center could be compromised. That's why the most secure systems like those that protect government secrets and bank vaults typically use some type of line security; a feature typically not found on run-of-the-mill alarm systems. At a minimum, you should at least use some type of wireless communications device as a communications back-up.

The new cans have the CSID written in invisible ink, after you remove it from the wall you must dunk the entire product, with battery still connected into a vat of vinegar for the code to appear.

alarman wrote:

Spraying the inside of the can with "Lemon Pledge" works just as good (and you enjoy the added benefit of the nice lemony scent). ;-)

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Meanie!

Yes. Very easily. That's why you read about it happening a lot in the news. Throw it away. Get a German Shepherd.

It can be programmed to quick-arm without a code. This is normal.

Is euthanizing a german shepherd more difficult than reprogramming a door alarm system and making it useless.

McGinn said you got an email yesterday from your contacts at fbi. Is that true crash.

What is a line security. You need to elaborate on it for security novices like me.

I do have a cell backup up package and how difficult is it for sophisticated thieves with lot of secuirty systems expertise to break it like our friend rosalnathan speculated yesterday.

How are they separate issues.

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A unique CSID is 4452554

Depending on your system you usually can't find it

Nope, usually an installer won't be able to do it either

Line security means that the communications means is supervised. There are several ways to accomplish this included dedicated leased phone lines, two-way long range radio, and network-based communicators. If communication between the alarm panel and monitoring station is compromised, the monitoring station can dispatch the proper authorities. This is typically used in high risk applications like cash vaults and classified storage facilities.

While it may be possible to jam a cellular communicator, it is highly unlikely that someone could get to a properly installed and secured unit in time to physically disable without a great deal of prior knowledge.

I've had the opportunity to design systems that secure very sensitive facilities and I'm confident that when designed, installed, and operated properly; even an industry insider could not compromise them.. Some of the standards that apply to these designs are in the public domain. If you are interested in the way these facilities are secured google "DCID 6/9" and "NISPOM" and read the sections on intrusion detection systems (IDS). Remember that physical security is more important than alarms, and most of these manuals deal with that aspect.

J.

I did find it and the CSID 4452554 worked like a charm.

You are right, the installed told me the same today.

You have been of great help. Can you post your address here or email me with your phone number privately at snipped-for-privacy@volcanomail.com

In case if you are not using a newsreader my email id is adcreg at volcanomail.com

I will mail you a check after making sure your address and phone number are right.....You know nowadays nigerians spam and con everybody in our goodold usa.

Thanks Mark, I appreciate your help.