Broadview Still Paying Off the BBB

Customer Complaint History

BBB serving Dallas, Texas maintains a report on this company's headquarters location. Please visit for details or call (214) 220-2000.

When considering complaint information, please take into account the company's size and volume of transactions, and understand that the nature of complaints and a firm's responses to them are often more important than the number of complaints.

BBB processed a total of 465 complaints about this company in the last

36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total of 465 complaints closed in 36 months, 208 were closed in the last year. These complaints concerned : 5 regarding Issue Not Defined 5 regarding Advertising Issues 1 - Advertisement misrepresented a product 1 - Advertisement misrepresented a service 3 - None of the Above - Advertising Complaint Issue 113 regarding Billing or Collection Issues 16 - Failure to correct billing errors 3 - Failure to substantiate charges 7 - Improper collection practices 86 - None of the Above - Credit, Billing or Collection Complaint Issue 1 - Unauthorized credit card charges 109 regarding Contract Issues 14 - Failure to honor a contract or agreement 7 - Invalid or false contract 75 - None of the Above - Contract Complaint Issue 12 - Unauthorized changes to the contract or agreement 1 - Work performed outside the terms of the contract or agreement 110 regarding Customer Service Issues 11 - Failure to provide promised assistance or support for products or services 4 - Failure to respond to phone calls or written requests for assistance or support 1 - Inappropriate behavior by customer service personnel 94 - None of the Above - Customer Service Complaint Issue 2 regarding Delivery Issues 2 - None of the Above - Delivery Complaint Issue 5 regarding Guarantee or Warranty Issues 1 - Failure to honor service under the terms of warranties 2 - Failure to provide promised written warranty or guarantee 2 - None of the Above - Guarantee or Warranty Complaint Issue 8 regarding Product Issues 1 - Defective, damaged, or incorrect product received 7 - None of the Above - Product Quality Complaint Issue 22 regarding Refund or Exchange Issues 2 - Failure to honor promised refunds, exchanges, or credit 5 - Failure to honor refund, exchange or credit policies 15 - None of the Above - Refund or Exchange Complaint Issue 6 regarding Repair Issues 1 - Delayed completion of repair 1 - Failure to honor a repair estimate or agreement 1 - Improper or inferior repair 3 - None of the Above - Repair Complaint Issue 30 regarding Sales Practice Issues 18 - None of the Above - Sales Complaint Issue 1 - Sales presentation did not disclose complete pricing information 5 - Sales presentation did not disclose key conditions of the offer 1 - Sales presentation not consistent with the written agreement 4 - Sales presentation used dishonest sales practices 1 - Sales presentation used high pressure methods 50 regarding Service Issues 2 - Delayed completion of service 4 - Failure to honor service estimate or agreement 1 - Failure to provide invoice or estimate for service upon request 10 - Improper or inferior service 32 - None of the Above - Service Complaint Issue 1 - Unauthorized service

These complaints were closed as:

331 Resolved 224 - Company addressed the complaint issues. The consumer failed to acknowledge acceptance to BBB. 107 - Company resolved the complaint issues. The consumer acknowledged acceptance to BBB. 134 Administratively Closed

134 Administratively Closed? Does this mean that Broadview wrote a check to the BBB? What gives? I just don't get it. I have 1 failed to respond complaint in 13 years and I get an F rating? Really...I guess I need borrow some from Broadview. I refuse to write a check to clear this up. It kind of defeats the purpose of the BBB.

Jim Rojas

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Jim Rojas
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You should have a Triple "F" rating: "F"abulously "F"reekin' "F"antastic.

What's really interesting is that you only qualify for an "A+" if you're a member. Non-member's highest rating is an "A".

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Frank Olson

Why does this not the least bit surprised me?

Read below.

Jim Rojas

The Better Business Bureau: It's not what you think!

Living a dream, I recently filed a "Fictitious Business Name" with Riverside County in California. This is public information, much like getting a mortgage and transfer of property title. In one sense, this simply means that you get a lot of telemarketing calls. This is all fine and dandy ? in fact, the fact that there is a wealth of public information out there is somewhat comforting.

Enter The Better Business Bureau. Until last week, I thought that the BBB was a government-run organization, funded by my tax dollars. I thought that it was a neutral observer of business standards and practices, a place where one could get information on a legitimate business or where one could lodge a formal complaint against a shady one. Just about none of this is true.

The BBB is not run by the government, but they do a lot of business with the FTC ? at least that's what I hear. They are a non-profit, charity organization known as a 501(c)(3). This means that whatever money you donate to their cause is tax-deductible. The money that you donate is supposed to go into programs and charitable causes. The organization is supposed to report their income, report their board of directors, report about their programs, and so on. This information appears on IRS form 990.

990s are public information. So, with my wife's help, I got hold of the 990 for our local BBB. Turns out, they report no income, no board of directors, no contractors who earn over $50,000 per year, and they have no programs. All they appear to have is -$849 in assets. This is, to say the least, shady.

You might ask, "Why is he so interested in the BBB?"

They cold called me. Mind you, this was back when (last week) I thought that they were a legitimate organization. It went something like this:

The "Guy" called and said that he was from the Better Business Bureau. My ears perked up: I thought either I have already done something wrong (!), or that they are a really conscientious organization interested in how I conduct my affairs. He said that he wanted to set up an appointment to visit my business. When I balked, he said that he could just ask me some questions over the phone. So I assented.

He asked questions that were already answered on the county DBA filing, so I answered diligently, thinking that he was probably checking up on me to verify if I had been honest on the DBA application. He finished his simple questions (e.g., do you have employees? How long have you been in business? What is the nature of the business?), and told me:

It costs $465 a year and that will carry you through June 2006. We take credit cards or check by phone.

I was floored. The "Guy" cold-called me and thought that I'd start doling out credit card numbers? Insane. I asked him, "Excuse me, you can't bill?" He answered, "We do credit cards or check by phone." Wary of phishing schemes, I told him that I had no way to know that he was who he claimed to be and that he would have to give me his information and I would call back if I was interested.

He gave me the information, and there started the investigation.

There are a lot of problems, right from the start ? even before you start reading the complaints against the BBB.

Most importantly, there is the obvious conflict-of-interest problem. They take "subscription" or "membership" donations from businesses. This means that businesses are the BBB's source of income (even though they don't report income). But businesses are their object of complaint. So, if I as a consumer complain to the BBB, I'm complaining about one of their sources of income. Obviously, this is a problem.

The problems run deeper. An hour or so after they talked to me, my business appeared on their web site (if you're interested, find the Southern California BBB site and look for "Bluewood Designs"; I resist linking to them). The information on the site is the information that I told them over the phone.

They never confirmed that information. Furthermore, they assigned me a "BB" rating. This means, paraphrased, that they have no reason to believe that anyone would have trouble doing business with me. This is true, to some extent ? they have no reason to think much of anything about me because, well, they know virtually nothing about me.

What's curious is that many other local businesses, who are members of the BBB, have "A" or higher ratings. Hmmm. I wonder what my rating would be if I paid for a "membership".

More curious, and again I encourage anyone to look this stuff up, I checked out the local Wal-Mart: they are a "member" of the BBB. They have had one complaint against them, but it apparently was resolved. So, they have an "AA" rating. I checked out the local Lowe's. They have 14 unresolved complaints against them and have an "F" rating. They are not members of the BBB.

What makes this case curious, in my estimation, is the number of lodged complaints. These stores are no more than a couple of miles from each other and so have basically the same customer base. I find it impossible to believe that the BBB has only received one complaint against Wal-Mart and 14 against Lowe's. This makes me suspect that a) the BBB is not recording complaints against their members; b) the BBB is not recording responses from non-members; c) the BBB might be "creating" complaints against non-members. Or some combination of these or others.

That last point is one that I've now read about (check out for more). Somehow this doesn't seem unreasonable ? I consider how much due diligence the BBB did to get my business information. I imagine that they do similar diligence on complaints that they receive.

Speaking of how complaints go, a friend of mine, let's call him "Scott", lodged a complaint with the BBB against a local car dealership. The dealership had tried to make him replace a $500 part on his car when it was really just a fuse that had blown. That complaint, on the BBB web site, is listed as resolved. This is probably because "Scott" grew tired of the paperwork and didn't pursue the complaint further. The BBB let it end. The car dealership is a member of the BBB. They have a "B" rating and 14 complaints.

But Scott felt that he had lodged a complaint with a reputable organization and that something might be done about their business practices. This is not the case, for the BBB has no authority over businesses and no significant legal influence with state or county authorities. Yet arguably, they market themselves as having that kind of authority.

This succeeds to dupe consumers into thinking that their complaints will actually be heard by someone who can or will do something about it. In the case of my friend, this stopped him from taking the complaint to an authority, such as the state Attorney General.

There are numerous other resources and anecdotes about the BBB out there on the web. This article aims only to raise a healthy suspicion about the organization and to encourage business owners and consumers to proceed with caution when doing business with the Better Business Bureau.

One final irony: if you have a complaint against the Better Business Bureau, you can't file it with the Better Business Bureau. And just as Groucho Marx once quipped that he would never join a club that would have him as a member, the Better Business Bureau is not a member of its own organization.

Maybe it's all a big joke?

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