I'll have to do more work on that then. If that's the way they are
handling it I should give them a fair chance.
Back on the issue of Insteon. I've made a proposal to Insteon to
provide a support forum to the Open Source community:
I'll be supporting any effort but not getting support from
Insteon. I'm not going to limit it to just Linux. Lets see how well
this works. I've asked Insteon very specific questions that I won't
detail here. I also need to look at their most recent Developers
Hmm, this will be interesting my contact at Insteon is no longer
there. Looks like I have more work to do.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:26:36 GMT, Joerg
wrote in message
Yes, and HPIB (aka IEEE-488) continued and continues to quietly make money
for HP, NI and others for years. I expect that the fact that it did not
become a commodity was and is quite to their liking. Ditto for HPIL (although
HP-specific). Factoid: Used, current model GPIB USB interfaces sell for ca
$300 on eBay.
Sure they do but there is no market volume to speak of. I vividly
remember a discussion at Tektronix when nearly all attending users
(myself included) voiced something loud and clear: Get us a regular
run-of-the-mills method for data output and not GPIB. Then they did that.
BTW, in the days when I had to use GPIB there were ways to get around HP
and NI's high prices. I forgot the name of the company (Plug-In or
something similar, out of Taiwan) that sold PC-mount HPIB interfaces.
For the slower grade which was fine for everything I did we paid around
$60. In the early 90's that wasn't much more than we had to pay for a
regular multi-IO card. So the cost issue could be circumvented but I
really had it when one of those garden hose type GPIB cables slipped out
of the socket a bit fast and flung my favorite coffee mug to the ground.
Coffee and shards all over the lab. Luckily I drink mine sugarless.
Nowadays you can buy a GPIB converter kit or assembled board from
someone in eastern Europe. It has a uC (MSP430, IIRC) on board, resides
in the connector shell and converts to USB. That gets rid of the bulky
cables. But we don't use GPIB in the lab anymore.
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:41:47 GMT, Joerg
wrote in message
I used some Ziatech ISA IEEE-488 ca 1987. So there have been lower-priced
work-arounds from the git-go. The hassle was the drivers which allowed
software vendors to dictate the interface hardware.
FWIW, they are almost _giving_ away ISA DAQ hardware on eBay, with PCI prices
not much higher. 16-input, 16-bit resolution ISA ADC/DAC/DIO and
96-input/output DIO PCI boards for $50, and so on.
One feller had about fifteen like-new National Instruments 64-input ADC (+
DIO + DAC) that went without any takers at $40. He was begging for offers.
Plenty of single-board ISA and PCI computers (SBC's) usually too.
I'll be having a porch sale soon at
to clean out the junk
Thanks for the hint. That sure is a better deal than a Labjack although
those are quite universal and useful. Different league though.
Let us know when that happens.
Nice house. I really like that winter picture. My grandmother in Germany
wouldn't have considered 1821 to be that long ago. Her house (still
there) is a lot older. The church where we got married was dedicated in
1019 but rebuilt several times because of lots of wars, fires and
lightning hits. But even that ain't old. There are lots of building from
the Romans still intact or even in use. The ones I saw were mostly about
1800 years old. These guys sure knew how to do a top quality job.
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:27:24 GMT, Joerg
wrote in message
Here's a url of a picture taken (literally) from the upstairs of the house I
grew up in and still own and visit on the Mediterranean island of Mallorca,
That's the new (18th century?) church in the picture. The terraces built on
the mountainside were built by the Moors ca 1000. Our house is contiguous
with the palace of the Kings of Mallorca begun in 1390-something and finished
about 1405 IIRC. Famous too for a monastery also built in the 13-14th C's,
also contiguous with our house.
My first HA project involved chiseling in the meter-thick stone walls of my
bedroom to embed wires ... Folks what complain about the 'difficulty' of
pulling CAT5 through hollow stud walls in US and Canada have no idea how easy
they have it ;-)
Nice! The Maurs were also great builders, as were the Egyptians and
Chinese. Just imagine who it must have taken just to get all the stuff
there. No trucks, no roads to speak of, no Home Depot in those days.
Yep, done that, too. In Germany. Drilling a hole from first floor to
second could take a whopping 15 minutes. Or a lot more if you hit a
pebble in the concrete. In my days there I did not have a Bosch Bulldog
so it was all hand-chiseling.