removing zones from ADT system

Feel free to give me a call. i will assist you.

Jim Rojas (813) 884-6335

snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net wrote:

Lithium 9v right?

You need the installer code not the master code, and a programming sheet for the 20SE...and a programming keypad.

BTW...you can toss the 7835C in the garbage.

The rest is doable.

While basic programming isn't too hard without an Alpha type keypad, zone programming without one is something even experienced installers would shy away from. (I'm sure there are exceptions here - but I sure as hell ain't one of 'em)

The alpha keypad lets you know where you are in the program.

The 7835c ISN'T a wireless receiver - It's a cellular back-up unit that won't work on the current networks so it is useless. You will need to remove that from the program as well or the panel will complain about either not seeing the network or not seeing the device.

If I were you, I would save my pennies and pick up a new alarm panel (the new Vista 20PS is pretty much the same thing you got now - only better) and alpha keypad on ebay. That way you will have the documentation and hardware you will need. Also, if you go with the newer Vista 20 the replacement will be simple since they are wired identically.

Good luck.

Joe is right about the Vista-20P and the 6160 alphanumeric keypad. Without those and the documentation, the procedure can be a royal pain. However, some eBay sellers have sold used, locked Vista systems as new. Only after installing and powering up the system does the victim realize the panel can't be programmed. A few unscrupulous alarm dealers have done this repeatedly, selling off used boards which they swapped out when taking over competitors' systems. The problem isn't too common but it does happen all too often.

Unless you're lying again and just trying to badmouth installing dealers as you always do, why don't you show some evidence that what you say is true.

Whoooooops! Can't do it .... huh?

Well then, we'll just put it into that bottomless pit of your lies.

repeatedly,

competitors'

Unless you're lying again and just trying to badmouth installing dealers as you always do, why don't you show some evidence that what you say is true.

Whoooooops! Can't do it .... huh?

Well then, we'll just put it into that bottomless pit of your lies.

I read about a sales technique like this years ago, although I've never seen it practiced before. He's very elegantly adopted many of the precepts to fit his business. Perhaps some of you are familiar with "The Art/Science of Selling Alarm Systems" by Norman Eisenstat. "Beware of the big bad burglars!" only with Bass it's "Beware of the big bad alarm companies and all those highly paid technicians that are just out to gouge you!" The trick is to make sure he establishes a big enough "fear index" to make the customer _want_ to "do-it-yourself".

I figure Bass has you all beat. I'd advise to retire now before you get that pink slip. ;)

I attended a seminar by Eisenstat once. The man was neither an artist nor a scientist. He was an obscene, high-pressure salesman of the worst kind. He advocated lying to customers about virtually everything. The truly disgusting thing was seeing many of my competitors avidly taking notes. After about 15 minutes I walked out.

You guys have it all wrong. I love big, bad alarm companies and overpaid technicians. Customers who get tired of being gouged start to consider DIY solutions. By all means continue to overcharge your vict... er, clients. Keep right on installing those inadequate, lick'n'stick alarms. All that sloppy workmanship and total disregard for your customers' security just creates more business for those of us who actually care about our clients, especially those with DIY stores like

There's no need for me to even bother. You're doing a bang-up job of driving homeowners and businesses my way without any help from me. All I have to do is offer professional systems at about 1/2 to 1/4 the price alarm companies charge and they stream into my

More precisely, you're beating yourself.

Don't bring Cracker into the conversation. Thanks for sending your customers around, friend. I really appreciate it.

On Jul 2, 2:12=EF=BF=BDam, "Robert L Bass" >

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Ahh yes. The proverbial snake. The vile opportunist. The sly smile. The innocence of subtlety. Offering pretty colors and stealth. Always slinking around, waiting for an opportunity to poison someone else, then swallow them whole.

This is much funnier than you expected. Dead man Bass has mentioned before how much he dislikes Eisenstat. So it's really funny to see that he is is viewed to have exactly the characteristics of someone he's criticized.

Just another notch in the list of how he continuously shows how disillusioned he is.

And you haven't been "obscene" or "high pressure"??

And you haven't told a single lie?

You missed the part where your employee stayed to take the very notes you're making use of today.

Classic Eisenstat.

But your prices are ridiculously high when it comes to fire alarm product. And in most states (and provinces), the "homeowners and businesses" couldn't install them anyway.

Now you're being "obscene".

I haven't sent a single customer "your way", "friend". None of them would be able to utilize "your services".

Gee... I must've hit a nerve.

bVfwYt_bVnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com...

Not a hard target.

Besides being a fat slob, the only other thing he's got a lot of, is nerve. He's short on everything else.