Do YOU ACTUALLY Own Your Equipment??

Yep....being an installer is so great...that's why one of the dumb asses I worked with in Port St. Lucie decided to become a "little prick salesman".

He installed for many years before "seeing the light", and a much better paycheck.

And having been an installer, he's probably a much better salesman for it.

HA !!

Duct detector...excellent.

| > I'd love to just know the some (if not all) the answers to Stanley's | > second paragraph!!! LOL | >

| > Tom | >

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ADT Core Commercial and Small Business installers in the St. Louis SSO are IBEW Local #1 union installers and service techs, and with 4 yrs experience, a Lead Technician makes a little over $23/hr plus benefits. With benefits, that equals about $32/hr. Not bad. And they don't have to lie to customers to get them to sign agreements... In any case, it's a career choice. I, for one, really enjoyed my days as a tech. It was a very rewarding experience, even when I was new and not making a lot.

This isn't to say that all salespeople are bad- I've met many at every company I've been associated with who were dedicated folks with a great attitude. I've been one, of course, and see how sometimes one department holds disdain for another. There are a few in every bunch... There are always some who place themselves above others, who cannot be a true team player, and who always end up leaving and trashing their former employer. I call them "useless idiots"- destined to ultimately fail in life. There is a very high turnover in sales at almost every company, and there are good reasons for that. The "Top Producers", as you claim to have been, always seem to be the ones who thrive, and stay for years and years. Why did you leave?

I would say that everyone in a company is equally important- Executive, Admin, Engineering, Service, Installation, Sales, Central Station, and the people who clean the joint at night. All of them are important pieces of the puzzle, and if any are missing or don't fit, the customer will suffer. When

The worst thing one can do is trash the people or company they work with. Only a moron would associate themselves with people or companies they can't stand. On the other hand, if one has a positive attitude and is willing to be a team player, great things can be done with the right mindset. It's all in your attitude toward your co-workers and, ultimately, your customers.

OhhhhhHhhh!! *Duct* detector... I thought he said "Duck Detector"...

Actually, a resistor restricts *voltage*, not current, but then I figure that's what you *meant* to say... ;-)

Restricts the current voltage... yeah, that's the ticket.... ;-)

Wrong. The correct answer is 26 gauge, for power-limited circuits. That's the minimum, per code.

Don't believe me? See NEC section 760-82 (and remember the NEC is published by NFPA):

Type FPL cables installed as wiring within buildings shall be listed as being resistant to the spread of fire and other criteria in accordance with

(A) Conductor Materials Conductors shall be solid or stranded copper.

(B) Conductor Size The size of conductors in a multiconductor cable shall not be smaller than 26 AWG. Single conductors shall not be smaller than 18 AWG.

I don't use 26 gauge myself, but it is legal. Somewhere, people have gotten the idea that all fire alarm wire has to be red, and that it must be at least 18 gauge. Neither is true.

Want to really make your local fire marshal s*it green apples? The NEC says that Type CM cable is perfectly acceptable as a substitute for FPL. So the next time you see a waterflow switch wired up with three pair 24 gauge telephone cable -- it's legal!

- badenov

"Hey- we finally located the dumb s*it who misread the spec. and endangered all those people by using 26 ga. fire wire. He's posting on alt.security.alarms"

Restricts the current voltage... yeah, that's the ticket.... ;-)

Stanley.....sounds like you're the dumbshit here. A quality techy like you doesn't know what the hell a restrictor restricts. I used to repair circuit boards for Magnavox older than you. You don't know your butt from a hole in the ground.

Stanley....you must be a TRODLADITE !!

He'll burn out like the other assholes that blow in here from time to time. Patience, my son. js

Maybe they used "restrictors" at Magnavox, but we use "resistors" these days.

Shouldn't Sonicduck be banned from this group by now? He/She's obviously not a nice or even reasonable person.

Web definitions for TROGLODYTE a cave dweller.

Is this what you are attempting to call everyone?

Pure Incompetence!

Web definitions for Incompetence The state or act of being incompetent and the inability to function properly.

It was a joke, dumbshit.

Wow... that was allot of typing Stanley!!

Thanx for providing some answers I was looking for. Dont be bothered with Sonicduck. He's not a true knowledgable salesman, just a ripoff artist. Sounds like he used to be a used car salesman... Man do I hate used car salesman... Dont get me started on that one......

Thanx again for all the info!

Tom

look it up from the urban dictionary. There are a few more definitions for Trogladite, or Troglodyte, or Trogladyte...etc.

I think it's funny as hell....figure out which definition I meant...

He obviously doesn't understand "Trog" humour...

You Trogladites need to stick together...he might be doink'n your old lady...

Until he says he wants it his way, and call it back it when your done. Than who is filling their pants with little green apples when they are rewiring it for free.