Seems to me that as chairman of the licensing board, you should be able to ask the attorney general whether state law really does require certificates on all systems, and whether local AHJs have the legal authority to require certificates when the code ooes not. You're a state official, the attorney general is your lawyer. Put him to work.
- badenov
here in Quebec we don't need to have a central station to monitor any fire alarm system unless the insurance company ask for it..
but in some city ,there is some ahj that will ask you to have the system monitored..
they say that it help the customer keeping its system trouble free..
in fact it make some sense,how many times I entered a small shopping mall,and walking in front of the fire alarm panel close of the main entry way ,and the panel was in trouble state (silenced) and was still in trouble the next week and on and on..
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I was just in Montreal in September and noticed that the fire alarm system was in trouble in Place Ville Marie. Went back the next day and it was still in trouble. I was not aware that the systems do not have to be monitored unless the insurance company's required it. In Westmount, years ago, part of the Alexis Neon Plaza was monitored at the the Westmount fire house, and the other part at the Montreal Fire Department, due to a major fire there many years ago. (The plaza sits on the border of Montreal/Westmount.) Are there any differences on the requirements for ULC/FMC in Canada?
Norm Mugford
A lot of fire systems are not inspected according to NFPA 72 time frames.
I take it you ment to write "ULC listed company to install the equipment" or is there a different ULC requirement?
Norm
ULC is the standard by which most AHJ's "default" to. ULC is written around NFPA 72 for fire monitoring, requires a licensed, ULC certified company to install the equipment, the use of ULC listed components, and a ULC listed (for fire) monitoring station. The system must also be certified (five year certificate) with *annual* inspections of the equipment mandated. On a lot of buildings in which we service the fire alarm, access control and CCTV but don't happen to provide the monitoring service, I rarely see the annual inspection section signed off on. That is a major "no-no".
As frank stated you need a ULC listed company..
And I have seen many alarm panel with out of date inspection certificate on it.. (I started in the Alarm business in a small company that was installing/servicing/inspecting fire alarm system) and saw my share of VERY bad installation with LOTS of no-no.. place Ville Marie is one of them..( by the way my brother used to be the president of the Union of the security guard at place Ville Marie ;-) ) he is now an IT expert..
pull station used to be wired in a very special way..At place Ville Marie,every pull station that were on top off each other at each level were on the same zone..so you could have a pull station pulled..you could tell it was a pull station close to the emergency door of the west stairway..but you could not tell which floor... ;-) pretty useful!
they were relying on the flow switch on the sprinkler at each level to tell on which floor was the fire (if any)..
things changed since..but what I am describing is something not that long ago in history.6 to 7 years max..
Can I ask you what were you doing in montreal? And are you planning on coming back? if so I would be please to offer you a drink! And I have a few question,on how the business is ruled over there in Florida...we want to kind of regulate the alarm business a little more around here and as a part of the executive committee of the biggest Union of Alarm technician in the Province I really want to hear a different point of view..then the one from the rest of Canada..
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ULC certifies the company to do installations and issue ULC certificates. A list of installations with ULC certificates is kept on file and ULC actually "spot checks" the company about once every two or three years (sooner if they've received complaints or found something not quite "kosher". ULC "lists" equipment. They "certify" companies willing to fork over the big bucks for the "priveledge" of being able to use the ULC Mark in their advertising and promotions.
You got that right when you say "Big Bucks", Frank.
Norm
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