ADT Essential Wireless Package

Go for it, Mike. C'mon back in 3 years and tell us what you think. js

Regain the use of your hand tremor boy?

Oh how true THAT is, I cannot tell you how many takeovers I did with systems no longer monitored because the old alarm company went belly up

"J. @netscape.net>" ADT's target days out on service is 1.5 days. That means, on average,

I have a garage full of ADT signs from people who would disagree with you. Thank you for the accounts, BTW.

js

Everyone had problems with Katrina, here's something to think about..

phone lines = dead

cellular = dead

radio/pager network = worked

Wait till you get the new SIA panels with a mandatory 15 to 30 second delay Tom, ADT is merely doing what the rest of the industry will be required to do this year

I've seen Jack's yard, he does mow it

Both of course true and stop kissing up to me dammit

Problem is he doesn't realize he needs meds to take

ASK YOUR MOM HOW HER ASSHOLE FEELS SHE WILL TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT. BICYCLE BOY.

To the OP, just ask.

True.

That's irrelavent. Lots of small, independant burger joints also make crummy burgers. There's no correlation between size of the company and quality of the installation.

Blaspheme! :^)

It's worth noting that ADT's contract also warns customers that the equipment they purchase may not be usable by other companies. So, changing companies may mean buying some new equipment.

And, the monthly monitoring fee is generally significantly higher than that charged by other reputable local companies. Even before those inflation adjustments.

- badenov

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You mean you haven't been to Bass's Burger Barn?

Any monkey can cook them.

Besides, 22 BBB (Bad Beef Burger) complaints aren't so many, when you're serving tens of burgers per day.

I guess thats a no

This is better than what many local companies do. It is common practice to lock the programming so that the customewr cannot make changes. The problem is that all too many local companies and "authorized dealers" refuse to unlock the system even after the monitoring contract is expired. This prevents the customer from usding his own system which he has already paid for unless he continues using the installing firm's services or pays a fee for the privilege of having access to his own equipment.

True. For example, a customer might have to replace the master control panel. The Vista-20P panel, one of the more popular models, retails for around $118. If the local firm locks the board in a certain manner it will need to be replaced, same as with ADT. The difference is that at least ADT Corporate warns the customer. Most local firms and authorized dealers do not.

Many local companies are now charging just as much as ADT even though they have nothing like ADT's central monitoring network.

FWIW, I have nothing to gain or lose in this discussion since I don't sell installed systems and I don't offer monitoring service. I sell parts online to DIYers so the perennial war between ADT reps and non-ADT reps (many of whom for some reason opt to hide behind phony names like "Badenov") is of no consequence to me.

red herring. didn't matter if the central station got the alarm or not during a disaster like Katrina because the central station could not call the authorities to report an alarm and or the authorities were not responding anyway

costs extra for slick talking salesman, who has nothing to do with a good installation.

yea, but they will show up.

Bullshit. You sound like the typical ADT brainwashed sales person. You can do the same thing for any installation trade. Any average installation company, with any experience in this trade, doesn't advertise in the yellow pages. So .... in fact, anyone who's advertising in them is either a large company who's got the deep pockets to do it and doesn't miss the exobitant amount of money they cost, for the mininimal response gleaned from them ..... or .... someone who doesn't know any better. It's all word of mouth referrals in this and in most trades .... and if you had any experience as an entrepreneur rather than an employee, you'd know that.

Here's a little game for YOU to play.

Find my company name in a phone book.

Nah, don't bother. Yet ....... I've been in this industry for 36 years, have an unlisted telephone number, don't advertise and I've had a box of 1000 business cards for about 10 years and it isn't even half empty. If I told you what my income was and how many accounts I have and gain every month ...... you'd actually shut your mouth for at least a second.

Here's another game. Give me ANY already installed ADT residential system and I'll take it away from them within an hour. Their sales people are generally unaware of how systems should be installed or spec'd. They are almost taught how to sell a system but don't have a clue about where and how things should be installed. I've taken every job away from them that I've ever quoted. They stink.

With regard to their installations ..... Their touting to unsuspecting end users, that three doors and a motion detector is a "comprehensive, state of the art alarm system" has ruined this industry. In spite of the fact that most of their jobs are spec'd as wireless, their subcontracted or directly employed installers don't know how to install them. Since the installers generally don't have to do service the service calls, the installs are done sloppy and improper because they leave it up to the servicemen to fix their mistakes or depend upon the fact that the end user doesn't know that it's not done that way by experienced installers ..... who actually CARE about their customers. They wouldn't know how to install a concealed contact if their lives depened on it. Or .... perhaps I should say, they WOULDN'T install one. They generally do shoddy and slipshod work leaving wires and component exposed. They don't install RJ31X jacks or panel earth grounds, unless it's really-really convenient. Motion detectors mounted over keypads, because it's convenient, so that they've got to be put on delay. Wireless transmitters mounted on doors rather than molding, because it's more convenient. Siren mounted right below the motion detector, because it's convenient.

Gimme a break with your defense of a defensless miscreant in this trade. The only reason that you don't have every participant in this Newsgroup jamming this back up your ass is because we've been down this road so many times before, it gets rather boring to have to put up with people like you, who occasionally come here showing how oblivious they are to what actually happens in this trade.

By the way, keep in mind that "this trade" is composed of primarily small alarm installation companys, who make up the majority of the trade, and install more systems and monitor more accounts than all of the "mega" companys put together.

Do YOU get the picture now?