On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:08:05 -0700 Jeff Liebermann wrote: | snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net hath wroth: | |>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:36:44 -0700 Jeff Liebermann wrote: |>| John Navas hath wroth: |>| |>|>>I'll save you the trouble. I setup an A record to point to |>|>>192.168.1.1. Try: |>|>>
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|>| |>|>How does that help? |>| |>| It doesn't help. It's totally useless. Since the router probably has |>| NOT connected to the internet when the URL is first invoked, there's |>| no way for DNS to return the 192.168.1.1 IP address. However, it does |>| provide entertainment value. | |>The case of the router being set up on a LAN in a business that already |>has "major" access (e.g. T1 or better, as opposed to DSL/cable), with |>intention that it is being used for authorized laptops in the building |>to be able access the office LAN (and maybe also internet, but through |>the big pipe). | | I only have a few businesses that use T1's or better. Most would not | use a commodity router and prefer Cisco, 3com, Sonicwall, or one of | the wireless switch vendors (Aruba, Symbol, Nortel/Trapeze, | Cisco/Airespace, etc). Some of my commodity router collection came | from ripping them out of such businesses, and replacing them with | something that can be monitored and centrally managed.
I was not talking about using a router like WGT624 or WRT54G on an internet access like T1. But I suppose I can. For a business that is doing things on the cheap, a WRT54G might well be fine if the handoff from the T1 or whatever they have is compatible. Do keep in mind that a lot of small business do use DSL. Nevertheless, this *is* a case of using a wireless router to also access the internet, the scenario you assume to be the only one the manufacturers target.
What I was talking about was a business using a T1 or better internet service, through any other kind of router (maybe even a high end Cisco router), and using wireless routers to merely provide wireless access to the LAN, and possibly also to the internet through the LAN and through what ever means the LAN accesses the internet (e.g. proxy server, NAT, or whatever else they may be doing). When a business does that, I do recommend a router rather than a bridge so that all their internal LAN ARP broadcasts are not going over wireless. The actual recommendation is based on what network topology they have, what might be changed, and the type of usage they make. But router based wireless is among the possible recommendations.
|>there could also be alternative use of the router, such as being able |>to better segment or block the wireless access (for example block port |>25), or possible to actually use DSL as a _backup_ link to the internet |>in case the big pipe goes down (it happens ... which is why one of my |>past employers had me putting in triple redundant OC-3 links to three |>different with triple redundant Cisco routers using HSRP for failover). | | If I were to actually do such a thing, I would need RIP, OSPF, or BGP4 | to switch between redundant paths. Not exactly something I would | trust to a commodity router. As for blocking port 25, the rule set | required to do it correctly requires a more complex ACL than can be | provided in most commodity routers. | | Methinks you might be stretching the point a bit here. The allegedly | user friendly routerlogin.com idea was to assist in the initial setup | of a wireless system that reflects 99.9% of the intended target | market. As I previously indicated, your application doesn't qualify.
Methinks you are going out of your way to dismiss a perfectly legitimate use for a wireless router that I believe the marketing people would not want to dismiss (if they understood the distinction), that could be done in a user friendly way, without impacting what they have already done for user friendliness in the "router is used for internet access" cases, by a simple change. I know you are a smart person, so it makes no sense why you would seem to think that such a change would somehow impact the business or the usability of wireless routers for internet access.