Others have noted that circuit numbers other than conventional telephone numbers have been used on dry pairs but, even if the DSL department's systems were built assuming that every DSL line had a conventional telephone number, would it kill the numbering plan to assign a number even if it no service is provided? I keep hearing that ILECs are losing landline business to competitors and alternative services, so in theory they have some unassigned numbers in their pools; perhaps they could take a just-returned number and assign it to a naked DSL line rather than adding it to the pool of numbers to be reused after a time? Obviously, local number portability means that fleeing* customers don't always return their phone number, but my point is that it may not be necessary to modify any existing systems.
Taking your idea a bit further, it's very convenient to verify DSL availability against an existing database using your current phone number, and that would not be possible if you don't have a dialtone line whose phone number you know. But this already happens when somone moves and wants to order dialtone and DSL but doesn't know the previous occupant's phone number, so some mechanism must exist for looking up the loop without a current number.
- Ohmigod, it's an ILEC! Run for your life!!!
Geoffrey Welsh Ambidextrous? No, I said I'm amb> In the case of DSL, someone has to cover the costs of maintaining the
OK, so how much of a typical residential line's monthly cost goes to maintenance, billing, etc.? Here in Ontario, Rogers Cablesystems will gladly offer cable internet to people who don't subscribe to their cable TV service for an additional $CDN 10 (they'll sell me basic cable -- all that overhead plus a few TV channels -- for $CDN24.40/month.) Unfortunately, I can't currently get cable internet from any ISP other than Rogers, the cable company (and I'd rather not go with them for internet right now); I can get DSL from a number of ISPs but only if I have telephone service from the ILEC, Bell Canada; I can get telephone service from a CLEC, but then I couldn't get DSL from my choice of ISP with it (there's a rumor that you can get third party dialtone and DSL from the ILEC, which means you can get third-party DSL or third party dialtone but not both on the same line -- I'm sure that Bell Canada has an explanation of why that is, too.)
I'd *love* to switch to a CLEC for dialtone, whether in general protest of our Canadian Ma Bell or in principle because the same company that can give me a phone line and unlimited free calling to to a significant fraction of Canada's population for $20 (plus fees such as 911 access and taxes) but can't let me see the number of the person who's calling me for less than $8, a 40% premium!
Failing that, I might consider paying Bell Canada $10 so I can get DSL from a third-party ISP and maybe add a VOIP service or just use my cellphone as my main number (which I pretty much do already.)
I'm not saying that there wouldn't be work involved, but surely it could be done -- and they don't hesitate to find cost justifications every time they want to raise our rates. Or we could encourage them (by not arguing too much) to pick a nominal amount (say, $10, half the rate for dialtone service) and be done with it.
I've heard -- but not seen for myself -- that an ILEC has claimed that the loop will corrode more quickly if it doesn't have battery power (or was that current flow, as in when the line is in use)!
That is the point entirely: I don't think (most of them) have accepted it at all, and I see competitors' access to the 'last mile' infrastructure installed during the monopoly days as being absolutely critical to competition ... if that's what we really want. I suspect, however, that the FCC isn't committed to widespread local competition and the CRTC either isn't committed or it's efforts have been essentially ineffectual.
Unfortunate, yes absolutely. However, I can see the point of view that facilities installed after competition should not be subject to sharing; the only question is whether the fiber being buried now is being installed in a truly competetive environment.
Geoffrey Welsh Ambidextrous? No, I said I'm ambinonscattous - I don't give a crap either way![TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I've heard that story about 'keep battery on the line to prevent corrosion' before but do not know how true it is. I do know that the pair which served my mother's line (when she lived here with me) **still has battery on it** but no dial tone now almost two years after she moved to the old people's home over on Penn Street, taking her phone number with her. I was outside at the demarc the other day, checking out the wiring on my PBXtra and noted the pair that had been her phone years ago still had battery, so I tied it off and taped it up to keep an eager phone man away from it. PAT]