Nicet Training

If you ask me NICET training is not worth the paper it is written on when i see all the slope out there being installed by NICET certified techs.

how ever i bieleive the website is

Except if the AHJ requires plans be submitted by NICET person.

Sad to say, I'm finding the exact same thing here. I'm currently involved in a bit of "discussion" with ASTTBC over some "sloppy" work done by some of their technicians in a project I've been called in to assist on. Sort of makes you want to ''gnash your teeth", but I'm recovering from a root canal (done yesterday) which makes doing that a bit painful.

Thanks for the link.

Regards,

Frank

Have you seen the CFAA site

It's a bit on the "hokey" side, but it appears they have the "inside track" in a number of Provinces. I don't know if there's a "BC Chapter", but I imagine if you drop them an email (or give their toll free number a call), you could certainly find out.

Frank Olson

I just completed testing for my lvl 2 NICET certification and I found the test modules very disappointing.

The questions seemed, for the most part, to dwell on the arcain and trivial. It would be very possible to have a perfect score on all the modules and still not have a clue as to how to install a fire alarm system.

I have had the good fortune of working with an "old timer" who understands the meaning of craftsmanship. He knows NFPA 72, which tells him what and where but not how. And, understands what you can't find in any wriiten code. Intergrity. Honor. NICET doens't test over that kind of material.

Topless supervisors?? :-)

That look like Tom perhaps?

No actually. I was thinking more along the lines of Tiffany Fallon (2005 Playmate of the Year) or Laurie Wood (Miss March '89). Yowza!!

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I remember that. Tom wasn't used to the alcohol content of the real beer up here yet and got a little carried away. The visual wasn't tooooo bad but when he jumped up on the stage and hip-checked the stripper into the salad bar, I got a little concerned. Off came the pants and then he started gyrating and singing, "I'm not white, I'M PINK" and I knew it was trouble... Good thing I have some buddies in Vice, it could have turned out much differently.

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hands on verified wiring and code skills.

Any idiot can read a book and pass a test I have never seen a hands on test to prove what you know. have them wire up a small system to nec and nfpa standards.

then you have a real test .

I see this shit all the time when some one tels me he is a liscensed electricain etc, big deal my dog has a liscense show me what you got.

This has been a contentious issue, nationwide. I agree with you and it seems that the best method is an apprenticeship program where 4 years of OJT is augmented with 4 years of classroom training. Unfortunately, states are the driving force here and they range from no requirements (ie. California) to a 4-year apprenticeship (ie. Oregon).

One of the most eye-opening events in my life is when I ventured outside of Oregon, in my post-Navy life and found a wide range of requirements coast-to-coast. I had thought that all states required anyone working on an electrical system to be a licensed electrician. Au contrare mon frere!

That is the problem here in Pa any one can be a plumber,electricain builder, etc etc no lscense no training requirements etc just put up your shingle except for certain big cities and countys.

I know electricains and fire alarm installers who have never had one of there installs ever inspected they just do what they feel like and the hell with everyone. and then you have ahj woh nerv inspect any thing just hand out occupancy permits Pa. is facing a major crisis even with ICC in place 80% of the state has chozen to ignore icc and nfpa.

That's the IBEW model, apprenticeship with work experience and classroom training. Unfortunately, the electricians figure that a week or two of fire alarm training means they're qualified to do fire. By the way, are electricians exempt from NICET certification requirements?

I'm not sure you could build a curriculum of four years just on fire alarms, though, so your 4+4 plan might not be workable.

NICET is supposed to have work experience requirements as part of the certification process. I gather you don't think this has been a success. :-)

- badenov

I was trained on the dark side in merit shops where the same 4 + 4 program is used as at IBEW. The journeyman winds up a well rounded electrician (pun intended) with additional training in fire alarm, cctv, access control, data/voice, amplified paging, FO, and so on. These "electives" are covered in the 2nd and 3rd year. Each elective is

10 weeks long. By attending a couple of additional core-division classes, journeymen wind up with an associates degree in industrial technology.

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