new pad

I don't think they'd even service a local anyway.

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| > | > >I have an ADT system installed. I believe it's really an Vista 20P | > | > > system rebranded by ADT. I am currently using the safewatch pro | > 3000 | > | > > keypad... it's fixed english. Works fine but... | > | >

| > | > > I would like to do things like review the log and maybe program a | > few | > | > > new devices (or zones or monitors or "enrolled" devices or whatever | > | > > the heck you call them). Is it possible for me to buy a 6160 pad | > | > > online and install it without having to program the system? I mean, | > | > > can I just swap pads by connecting the wires or is there "install | > | > > code" work to be done (i.e. the pad is a type of enrolled device | > that | > | > > must somehow register with the control panel)? | > | >

| > | > > I'm open to ADT doing the work... but you sure pay a premium to have | > | > > them do anything. I mean, $70 just to add a new window sensor? The | > | > > 6160 costs about $100 bucks online... so I suspect ADT would charge | > me | > | > > about $300!!!! | > | >

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Fenwayfool sounds like someone from Boston. We have a park/garden/pond/stream area in the Back Bay area of Boston called the Fenway. Some call it the Fens. A Central Park if you will, but on a much smaller scale. Nice place for a stroll to watch the ducks/geese/squirrels/flowers in the summer.

From home plate at Fenway Park, of Boston Red Sox fame, one could hit a baseball over the wall and it would almost land in the Fens.

We install, monitor, service, and provide an all-inclusive "Monitoring and Service" policy for all systems that we install. Customer owns the system. Parts and labor to repair and service our systems, all residential, are at no additional cost to the customer when they have a problem with their system -- as long as they remain connected to our CS -- and of course continue to pay our semannual invoices.

Our contract states that the system is not to be serviced by any person other than our employees; that if it is serviced by anyone else, it is our option to terminate the agreement.

The danger of other persons adding to the system or otherwise making adjustments, moving contacts, keypads, etc. is the liability that it presents to us. The last thing I need is a system that malfunctions at a time when it is really needed - because some Fenwayfool knowitall became his own expert technician.

In forty-four years we have never been sued.

Knock on wood.

The statements made by Fenwayfool reflect his choice of moniker.

Charles

That's great Chuck, but what would you charge a current customer to add a window contact? My bet is more than or equal to $70, which is completely reasonable.

The dork in question thought he is entitled to free upgrades. -Hell- according to him; ADT should wire every window and door, put motions and GB's in every room, lay down pressure mats on every square foot (does anyone use them anymore?), give a keypad for every entrance and MBR, and of course add a cell backup.... for free.

ADT and Brinks have ruined the consumer's perceived value vs. cost of security, and to top it off there are online parts-pushers that reinforce that lie. In a way that's good... It allows the installing dealer to weed out ^potential^ problem customers.

Bullfrank! In all probability he'll do as good a job or better than the local ADT "authorized dealer" anyway. Besides, the "liability" nonsense is another red herring. Paid alarm installers don't want DIYers doing this stuff because it takes away from their potential income.

Exactly. It's not exactly rocket science. Just be sure to test the sensor periodically to make certain it's OK.

Fortunately, the system is his property so he doesn't need your consent.

Piece of cake.

I've sold thousands of Honeywell (nee Ademco) systems to DIYers. About half of them employ some wireless and maybe 10% (wild guess) use only wireless sensors. Not one has ever had a hard time enrolling them. After all, the system was designed so that alarm installers can do it. [reminds me of the Geico ad with the caveman in the airport].

If it's a modified Honeywell product he can replace the panel. The sensors are the same. If it's a standard Honeywell panel the same applies. The only issue is whether he can get the code defaulted since ADT is about as likely to give him access as you are to admit you lied. I don't know if Jim Rojas or Bob Campbell can default that model. If so, he's in luck. Otherwise, replacing the panel AND a keypad only costs a little more than a new 6160 keypad alone.

The one and only time I went to Fenway Park for a Sox game a guy named Wade Bogs (or something like that) did just that. He put one out of the park. I was just arriving, having gotten stuck in traffic on the Pike. The moment we sat down there was a pitch, the distinctive thwack of wood on ball and the crowd went totally wild. When I saw the monicker, "Fenwayfool" I knew immediately he was a Sox fan.

I've never much cared who won but it was truly exciting to see (on TV this time) Boston finally beat the Yank's a few years ago. I hope they don't need another 80+ years to do it again.

Sounds like Bob Campbell. Be careful telling people about that though. Jiminex is likely to start cursing at you and then he'll.... he'll... ummm, curse at you some more.

likely to give him access as you are to

Takeovers of these panels are trivial. Just about every installer from any company knows ADT installer codes. Why don't you post ADT codes like you did the Honeywell passwords?

You are hardly in a position to accuse someone of lying.

Basshit! Paid installers are the only people who are authorized to work on equipment owned and/or monitored by the installing company. Anyone who thinks differently are either stupid or trying to sell equipment

And since it appears to be monitored he does require the consent of ADT

I bet he charges more than $15 / mo for his all inclusive service. So again you are TRYING to make a point by comparing apples to oranges. tsk tsk

More like coconuts to guavas.

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I beg to differ.

I think the appropriate use of the word should be Bullbass.

I concur, oh wise one.

I have a page full of ADT codes. I just pull the gear out anyway. I offer it back to ADT but they don't even want it most of the time.

There is no standard ADT code. Every so-called "authorized dealer" chooses his own code.

Authorized by whom? Don't be ridiculous.

Is this the fellow who said it is not monitored?

Naa Basshit has a nice ring to it, note how it cleanly rolls off the tongue

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I beg to differ.

I think the appropriate use of the word should be Bullbass.

Ick.

We used to put their hardware in a box and tell the client to call ADT to come pick it up. AFAIK, they never did.

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about as likely to give him access as you are to

You're some piece of work, Bass. For someone that's spent ten years in Usenet spewing lies to call another person "a liar" has got to be one of the dumbest things that you continue to spew. The day *you* admit to all the lies you've posted will never come. Consequently, the day anyone (that's been a target of your maliciousness) will forgive you, will also, never come. That's a great pity. The chains you've forged over the years must be miles long by now. The time to reflect on that simple fact is fleeting, Ebeneezer.

I'd like to know how I've "hurt you" (or anyone here) by relating some of my past experiences. I'd like to know how asking you to prove the things you say about me "lying" hurts you. Is it the mere fact that asking for such proof serves to highlight another one of *your lies*? Is pointing out your lies and misleading comments to be construed as a personal attack? Or is it that you've "lied" when you say you "don't hate anyone"? It appears that certain individuals are "immune". Bob La Londe pointed out the lie about the "Attention Burglar - Go ahead make my day" story you posted here. Okay, so he was a lot more "polite" about it than many of your other detractors would have been. So anyone else in that "club" you refer to as the "IB" calling you what you are (a lying sack of s*it) engenders a response that often includes more outlandish claims and lies. I mean, look at the response to FIRTEK that referred to the "vice squad". The next thing you'll you post will be making more vague references to Jake Ashbury's grand-daughter. You're seriously sick, Bass. Five years of college (which included some classes in psychology) hasn't helped you to identify your own problems.