Good news for US -- Secure Fence Act of 2006

You obviously haven't tried to board a plane with an "economy size" bottle of shampoo. :-)

The whole thing is just another pork barrel act to benefit favorite contractors -- specifically those who contributed heavily to the Bush campaigns. Don't expect they'll toss anything your way. It'll probably go to Diebold in a no-bid contract, just like the security and access control systems they installed in all the palaces-turned-prisons in Iraq.

The project is a waste anyway. They'll just tunnel under it or ram through it like they do all the time in places where there already is a fence. Besides, more terrorists have been caught coming in from Canada than Mexico. It seems they prefer riding across the northern border in a rented car to walking through the desert.

The real reason that Bush is willing to put up this fence is to appease his xenophobic, right-wing, Republican base who hate Mexicans and most other immigrants (never mind the fact that virtually all of them are descendants of immigants).

There's not a shred of evidence that Mexicans have been involved in any terrorist acts against the US. They just come here looking for work and what they get is mostly jobs that Americans don't want.

While Bush and his cronies divvy up a few hundred million dollars among their pals to build a fence to keep Mexicans out, they completely ignore the area where Bin Laden is hiding -- assuming he's not dead. They're passing laws to make it legal for the CIA and the military to torture prisoners, then convict and sentence them based on "confessions" elicited by force. If you're dumb enough to think they'll stop at using these tactics against foreign nationals, you're in for a nasty surprise. The day they think you're an inconvenience they'll come knocking at your door.

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist - so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat - so I did nothing. Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me." -- Martin Niemoeller

Man that chemo really makes you think strange things

Therefore, we should just disband the Border Patrol, since the illegals will just come in anyway?

Fences work great, if you build a good enough fence. The Great Wall of China, for example.

Yeah, what the hell, let's just stand by and do nothing while tens of millions of illegal aliens invade our country. After all, if I come home some night and find a stranger in my living room, I should let him stay, because "all he wants to do is sleep."

Tens of millions of Mexicans sneak across the border, and eventually, we give them amnesty. Meanwhile, they breed like rabbits, and all their kids are automatically U.S. citizens, because the kids were born here. It's not only an invasion, but a geometrically increasing influx.

Like all the pro-illegal groups, you lump legal and illegal immigrants into one category, and then say that America is a nation of immigrants. The point is, American citizens should control how much immigration is allowed. We shouldn't let the illegal aliens make that determination.

Billions of people throughout the world would dearly love to come to the United States and work. They can't all live here. Seal the borders, and let Americans decide how many immigrants they are willing to let into this country. It is, after all, our country, not theirs.

- badenov

Actually they are taking jobs away from our people - jobs that people do want. I haven't seen a non-mexican-drywaller, laborer, painter, gardener, fastfoodworker, apprentice electrician, apprentice framers, roofers in a lonnnng while.

So we are training illegals to take our own jobs, typical wacko american thinking these days. Fehgedaboud giving them Social Security benefits when they haven't even paid into the almost bankrupt system..that just freekin baffles my mind.

I say kick them all the f*ck out and let them apply for legal entry into the country. In the meantime take all our unemployed and make them pick f****ng lettuce/cabbage/melons....no pick, no benefits.

Then drop the big one on Iran/China & N. Korea (ok maybe a small big one)...just end the shit once and for all. That way we can spend more time to importing stuff; like who's playin sex shit on the internet with who's page/intern whatever.

Why the hell are we selling all our concrete and copper to China anyway? I went to buy a 25' roll of 12/2 romex...32 freekin dollars?? What the f*ck? We are shootin' our ownselves in the feet.

wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... |> > By US I mean those in the security industry and the United States. I'm | > > more than happy to install cameras along the fence. It's about time | > > we do something to secure our border. That jackass Bush better sign | > > it. Maybe it would have stoped degenerates like Juan Leonardo | > > Quintero from coming in. Five f****ng years after the attack on our | > > country and we're just now doing something about physical security, | > > what a pity. | >

| > You obviously haven't tried to board a plane with an "economy size" | > bottle of shampoo. :-) | | The whole thing is just another pork barrel act to benefit favorite | contractors -- specifically those who contributed heavily to the Bush | campaigns. Don't expect they'll toss anything your way. It'll | probably go to Diebold in a no-bid contract, just like the security and | access control systems they installed in all the palaces-turned-prisons | in Iraq. | | The project is a waste anyway. They'll just tunnel under it or ram | through it like they do all the time in places where there already is a | fence. Besides, more terrorists have been caught coming in from Canada | than Mexico. It seems they prefer riding across the northern border in | a rented car to walking through the desert. | | The real reason that Bush is willing to put up this fence is to appease | his xenophobic, right-wing, Republican base who hate Mexicans and most | other immigrants (never mind the fact that virtually all of them are | descendants of immigants). | | There's not a shred of evidence that Mexicans have been involved in any | terrorist acts against the US. They just come here looking for work | and what they get is mostly jobs that Americans don't want. | | While Bush and his cronies divvy up a few hundred million dollars among | their pals to build a fence to keep Mexicans out, they completely | ignore the area where Bin Laden is hiding -- assuming he's not dead. | They're passing laws to make it legal for the CIA and the military to | torture prisoners, then convict and sentence them based on | "confessions" elicited by force. If you're dumb enough to think | they'll stop at using these tactics against foreign nationals, you're | in for a nasty surprise. The day they think you're an inconvenience | they'll come knocking at your door. | | "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist - so I | said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a | Social Democrat - so I did nothing. Then they came for the trade | unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the | Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little. Then when they came for | me, there was no one left who could stand up for me." -- Martin | Niemoeller |

Here is a copy of an e-mail that puts it into perspective.

Let's say I break into your house

A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!! It explains = things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country = protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of = illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect = its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, = once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in = your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds = and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done = all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-w working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add = me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other = benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because = he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who = will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and = I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except = for well, you know.

And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a = fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it = without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an = anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can = communicate with me

better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the

house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-w working and honest (except

your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me

Now THAT's putting it all in perspective.

Now ..... ya see? Ya gotta stop right there.

Because ..... that's exactly what you are.

You want everyone to have everything regardless if they work for it or not. You want all the people who actually worked and earned all the things that they have, to just give it away to people who haven't worked for it. You think it's ok for the govenment to control everything that everyone does and provide everyone with everything they need from the day their born till the day they die. You think it's ok for people who have never contributed anything to this country to come here and be supported by taxes that US citizens pay for schools and social programs. Then you're the first to cry about how bad our schools are and why our children don't do well scholastically. And how bankrupts or medical services are and wonder why hospitals are closing and having such a bad time. Then you use that to propose that a nationalized medical program should be implemented to take BETTER care of people who

haven't contributed. And then rather than try to update the Social Security program by also letting people participate in increasing their retirement benifits, you'd rather the govenment increase the taxes of the dwindling population of working age people. Not so strangely, this sounds like a scene out of Atlas Shrugged. We all knew John Galt had the right idea. It's people like you that he finally figured out how to handle.

Read your history. Just about every "great" nations downfall, came about as a result of an *uncontrolled* flow of another culture into their culture ..... be it by conquest or a consious decision, under the guise of altruism. It's the destruction of a culture that this "immigration problem" all boils down to.The very thing that people from other countries want to come here for....our way of living and the benefits that we've derived from that culture. Any "uncontrolled" large influx of a different culture into another is going to change it into something worse than what the immigrants were trying to escape from. Change and other cultures coming in, are ok and

actually do a nation good. But it's got to be controlled. And the govenments job is to protect us from invasion from outside our borders. And this IS an invasion.

You can call the picture of your world any color you choose, but it all looks Red to everyone else.

And besides, what do you care? Right? You may as well go out sounding like your all for the "down trodden" . The "underdog". You've stepped on and crushed so many people in your miserable life ..... that I can almost understand that now that you know you're going to die soon, that you'd like to go out seeming as if you were actually a good person.

Yeah. So I guess I can understand that. You can justify your ignorance

now because you're not going to be around to see the consequences of your convoluted and already disproven view of Socialism..... anyway.

What a waste of life you were.

Exacto-Mundo. That's if you get a good one and not a scumbag cop killer. My personal thought is that we just lop off all their heads and catapult them back over the border. Then again, I'm the same guy who wants to nuke Mecca while they are circling the Kaaba. I guess I'll never get elected to president.

better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the

house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-w working and honest (except

your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me

YA GOT MY VOTE

Hey, the real reason we are in Iraq is so we'd have better military positioning to deal with all these fucks. Remember many countries didn't let us fly over them when we needed to? The problem now is fighting a PC war bullshit.

| >

| >Let's say I break into your house | >

| >A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!! It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV. | >

| >Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the | >thinking behind these protests. | >

| >Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-w working and honest (except | >for when I broke into your house). | >

| >According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part). | >

| >

| >If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there. | >

| >It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know. | >

| >And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me | >

| >-- | >

| >

| >

| >Nomen Nescio wrote: | >

| >> Bass said: | >>

| >> > The project is a waste anyway. They'll just tunnel under it or ram | >> > through it like they do all the time in places where there already is a | >> > fence. | >>

| >> Therefore, we should just disband the Border Patrol, since the illegals | >> will just come in anyway? | >>

| >> Fences work great, if you build a good enough fence. The Great Wall of | >> China, for example. | >>

| >> > The real reason that Bush is willing to put up this fence is to appease | >> > his xenophobic, right-wing, Republican base who hate Mexicans and most | >> > other immigrants (never mind the fact that virtually all of them are | >> > descendants of immigants). | >>

| >> Yeah, what the hell, let's just stand by and do nothing while tens of | >> millions of illegal aliens invade our country. After all, if I come home | >> some night and find a stranger in my living room, I should let him stay, | >> because "all he wants to do is sleep." | >>

| >> Tens of millions of Mexicans sneak across the border, and eventually, we | >> give them amnesty. Meanwhile, they breed like rabbits, and all their kids | >> are automatically U.S. citizens, because the kids were born here. It's not | >> only an invasion, but a geometrically increasing influx. | >>

| >> Like all the pro-illegal groups, you lump legal and illegal immigrants into | >> one category, and then say that America is a nation of immigrants. The | >> point is, American citizens should control how much immigration is allowed. | >> We shouldn't let the illegal aliens make that determination. | >>

| >> Billions of people throughout the world would dearly love to come to the | >> United States and work. They can't all live here. Seal the borders, and | >> let Americans decide how many immigrants they are willing to let into this | >> country. It is, after all, our country, not theirs. | >>

| >> - badenov | -- | | -Graham | (remove the double e's to email)

Is there funding?

It's hard to say whether their building it or not. Or course this month is "Hispanic Heritage Month", bad timing eh?

No, moron. I said the fence is a waste. The border patrol is a useful tool.

If that were true you wouldn't have a job.

Nice tourist attraction.

I'm not interested in your marital problems.

--- Snip racist drivel ---

That's probably about the the same thing that the Navaho said about us. :^)

I hate to burst your bubble, Bubba, but we *are* a nation of immigrants. I kind of like it that way.

We don't let immigrants decide. The point of the discussion isn't whether we have laws. It's whether we waste hundreds of millions (probbably billions by the time it's actually built) of dollars on yet another pork barrel project that will do nothing to enhance our security.

Whereas, millions of our own citizens prefer to live off the fat of the land. It's a sad state of affairs, but building a fence across the southern border won't fix anything.

IMO the best option propounded so far is to provide a "worker permit" for those who want to come in and do migrant work or whatever. The reality is that we already have such a program for technically competent immigrants. It's called an H1B card (might be a hyphen in there somewhere). American employers have to demonstrate that they have made a good faith effort to secure the services of a US citizen to fulfill a job and have found no one ready, willing and able. They can then petition USCIS for H1B status for a qualified immigrant. One of our friends is a tri-lingual engineering specialist who came from Brazil ten or twelve years ago on an H1B. He works hard, pays taxes and contributes to the local economy just like any citizen. The only difference is he can't vote. Having raised his children here (one born an American citizen and the other born in Brazil), he has now received permanent residency and is getting ready for his citizenship oath.

Being multi-lingual and open-minded about other cultures, I've gotten to know many people from other countries who live in my community. Most are a positive influence. Most just want to live peaceful, quiet lives with the opportunity to care for their families without fear of repression or insurmountable hurdles of poverty and violence where they came from. Given that many of our own citizens don't contribute anything at all to our society, I prefer to find a lawful way to help people like these.

Don't deliberately misinterpret what I say (something you routinely do) about this. I believe we should have and enforce tough immigration laws. I believe we need to make a real effort to keep out those who want to do us harm. It's just that this stupid fence won't do anything but line the pockets of a bunch of rich political contributors. It won't stop or even slow illegal immigration. Note that none of the 9/11 terrorists walked in from Mexico. They all flew here on commercial airliners. A few have apparently been able to pass back and forth through the Canadian border without so much as a nod from customs agents there. Worse yet, the 5,000-mile Canadian border is completely unmanned along vast stretches of forest. Boats wander across the great lakes every day, landing in small US towns without any customs patrol at all. TTBOMK, there has not been a single documented account of a terrorist entering the US from Mexico, there have been several arrests of people who were planning to do things like blow up the Space Needle. They came in through Canada.

If we want to do something to truly enhance border security rather than just make another give-away of billions of dollars to fat cat political donors, we should take our soldiers out of Iraq and station them along our own borders. At least there they could defend a country we care about.

better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the

house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-w working and honest (except

your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me

Highlight..... Right click.... save!!!!

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The example you used "someone broke into your house" is irrelevant. When someone breaks into your house he invades your privacy. Hard working immigrants don't.

How about humanity? Think about them as Human Beings instead of Illegal Immigrants. They have already gone thru a lot of shit, they put their lives on the line before they reached this land, now you want to deport them to make their lives even worse? that's exactly the same thing territorial animals do to those who invade their territories. Give them a break!

Did you know that it is extremely difficult to come into the USA legally? Those who broke in illegally had no chance in hell to get a work VISA. That's why they tried the other way. They deserve staying here, so treat them as refugees of poverty and be nice to them, maybe learn their language so you can understand them better, I'm sure first German Immigrants spoke German. Immigrants also try very hard to learn English as well. And of course their children will learn English and be productive Americans. Humans have a brain that enables them to learn other languages, Animal don't, if the wolf hears his mate barking he will deport him.

Illegal Immigrants took the risk that many of US immigrants did in the

1700's and 1800's who were granted the right to stay here permanently, this may include your ancestors.

So get off your ego mind. They are here now and you need to deal with it. And maybe change/add a few laws to accommodate them, after all you will HAVE to, you have no choice, there are millions of them.

The only thing I agree with is that America should secure the borders but let the illegal immigrants that are already here be Americans. Using your example; nobody leaves their house door wide open to strangers, and no company will insure your house if you have no doors.

Secure the borders America, MAKE AMERICA MORE DIVERSIFIED, and increase that 55,000 a year Diversity VISA lottery/giveaway program:

Love it that AMERICA is getting more diversified! Racists and Animals are hating it because they are scared of the outcome.

A *LEGAL* Immigrant,

Tommy wrote:

better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the

house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-w working and honest (except

your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there.

just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um, except for well, you know.

fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me

I propose that we take a vote next week. Those who support illegal immigration will identify themselves, and have the letter F appended to their social security numbers. Then, the financial burden of supporting the illegals would be shifted entirely to those good souls with an F after their SSN on their tax return. js

Here are the statistics on welfare recipients: Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race

-------------- White 38.8% Black 37.2% Hispanic 17.8% Asian 2.8% Other 3.4%

Since the majority of hispanics are legal, illegals remain just a small % that mostly fall in Hispanic and Other. WTF are you worried about? a few pennies you pay every year to help a poor family have a better life?