Which Routers

Here is a list of 2500 routers (you will have to reassemble the url)

Here is a list of 4000 series:

But if you have $500, you may want to get some 19xx switches to, if so, make sure they are "enterprise" versions (-EN in the part number). For the routers you want enterprise software, but with enough memory, there are alternatives.

Also, with $500, you might be able to get a 2600 router or 29xx switch, plus a few of the cheaper ones if you shop carefully, and don't seek a large quantity. Both of those have features not present on the older routers and switches.

You need to decide if you can manage with token ring ports (all token ring routers tend to sell for less than ethernet).

You will need to buy DB60 crossover cables to connect them to each other and other cables for some 4000s or some 2600s.

The 2509-2512 let you connect into the console port of 8 or 16 other switches or routers, making it easier to use token ring units.

The 2524 and 2525 need modules to be of any use, without the correct module, they are pretty much useless.

The 2520-2523 let you build a frame relay cloud with 4 or 10 access points.

this might be better on alt.certification.cisco

In article , skurlock wrote: :Very little Cisco experience. :Recently decided to change that and picked up a few Cisco related :books. I'm looking to buy a couple inexpensive routers to practice on. :Don't want to spend more than $500 total.

:Can anyone give me model numbers of a couple :decent routers I can look for?

Tricky.

: Appears there's a lot of 25xx versions :that are relatively cheap but I really don't know one model from :another.

The 2500 series is nearly completely obsolete; only two of the models can still be ordered, and they aren't long for this world. If I recall correctly the 2500 were mostly 10 Mbit half duplex.

You are going to find it difficult to find two routers for $US500. The prices you are looking at on ebay are mostly for hardware only: except for a few authorized dealers, when you buy a used Cisco device, you do -not- get a right to use the software, and you must "relicense" the software that is there. If the used machine is old (as the 2500s certainly are) then the IOS version on it is not likely to be at all recent: you have to pay Cisco another fee to buy a more current version. If you also want to change the basic facilities that the device can handle (e.g., you want AppleTalk, or firewall services) then there is yet another fee to change "feature sets".

The devices that might still be affordable on your $US500 budget even after the various fees are the 800 series (e.g., 801) and 820 series (e.g., 827). Those are fixed configuration routers. Also, the SOHO 70 series might be affordable as well: there are a lot of similarities between the SOHO series and the 800 series, with the main difference being that the SOHO series is aimed at a much much smaller office (e.g., 5 devices.)

With the budget you mention, I suspect that the only other thing you will be able to afford after all the fees is possibly a couple of 1600 routers with the most basic of "feature sets". But changing feature sets on the 1600 would likely push you outside your budget.

Sure - get the following as a starter

2501 router, 16M flash, 16M RAM, qty 2 ($200) 2900 switch, qty 1 WS-C2912-XL-EN ($160) two AUI-10BT Transceivers ($10) two Cat5 10BT patch cables (negligible) one DCE-DTE serial cable (High density DB-60) ($10) one console cable (DB9 to 8-pin modular) ($5)

Oh, and add shipping, I suppose. That will take you up to $500

For every router you add, add a DCE-DTE cable and transceiver, and a 2nd hub or switch may be helpful, too

You can probably get that entire kit for $500. Heck, I probably have the entire kit available here somewhere....

-e-

In article , Eric Louie wrote: :Sure - get the following as a starter :2501 router, 16M flash, 16M RAM, qty 2 ($200) :2900 switch, qty 1 WS-C2912-XL-EN ($160)

:Oh, and add shipping, I suppose. That will take you up to $500

And how much is relicensing and upgrading of IOS going to add to that?

The Cisco policy reference here is (URL wrap may occur)

states that IOS may not be transferred when the hardware platform is resold. There is a re-order procedure at: - an example based on the 2600

For the 2500 series routers, end of life is coming soon...at which point we'll need to find out how the policy holds

For the 2900 series switches, they just went into end of sale, and end of life is quite a way out To inquire about the actual costs and processes of relicensing, one may email Cisco at snipped-for-privacy@cisco.com

SmartNet for the product is also available which grants the end-user an IP-only feature set for the hardware. However, SmartNet for the 2500's may not be available anymore.

According to my pricelist, the relicensing for 2500 IOS IP (basic IOS) is $1200 per unit

2900-XL enterprise is $300

Eric Louie schrieb:

which states that IOS may not be transferred when the hardware platform is

IANAL, but: Things are different in the whole European Community. So buy from there if you are in the U.S. and you still have concerns. ;-)

This is what Cisco wishes to be the truth to protect their highly non-competitive prices and God-like behaviour. The reason why many companies never will buy anything from Cisco again.

But in real world the Customer bought (and not licensed!) the hardware and the standard software (a.k.a. the operating system a.k.a IOS) and Cisco has *no* right to restrict the customer to resell the hardware incl. the unlimited right to use the software which becomes *property* of the customer with the original payment.

It is comparable to M$ trying to prohibit the resell of OEM Version of Windows and they lost their case, like most Automotive companies lost their cases.

This may be different in the U.S. or if the reseller is both *not an end user* and has contractual obligations with Cisco like a partnership.

Cisco claim the grey market to be illegal. This statement is simply false. The only thing illegal are the chapters in the partner contracts urging a reseller to accept such a clause.

Cisco has the right to limit warranty to the original customer or refuse selling software updates.

You can be sure that Cisco won't sue a customer in the EU, because after a court's rule, they have to completely open their business marktet ;-)

Nonetheless Cisco's support is excellent. But not every customer needs excellent support.

snipped-for-privacy@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Walter Roberson) wrote

Is this really true for any Cisco router sold on Ebay??

Perhaps this explains why Cisco 803 routers go for GBP 15.00 :)

But seriously Cisco stuff is the best. The configuration may be a great job creation/security scheme but the products do work very well.

Peter.

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Uli Link wrote

Yes, all above is correct for the EU. It's also common sense.

Peter.

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In article , Peter wrote: : snipped-for-privacy@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Walter Roberson) wrote

;>You are going to find it difficult to find two routers for $US500. ;>The prices you are looking at on ebay are mostly for hardware only: ;>except for a few authorized dealers, when you buy a used Cisco ;>device, you do -not- get a right to use the software, and you ;>must "relicense" the software that is there.

:Is this really true for any Cisco router sold on Ebay??

If the description does not say "remanufacturered" or "relicensed" then Cisco's policy is that the license does not transfer.

I don't know how EU law modifies this. I thought I understood the relevant German law, but then I found myself in the middle of a thread in which two German people debated the matter with reference to specific clauses, and I found that the law is much messier than I thought.