CCNA -> CCNP

You'll have neither. A valid CCNA is a requiement for getting your CCNP.

is it, i assumed that you didn't need to CCNA, i thought you could go in at whatever level you wanted?

im shocked

You need a CCNA to do a CCNP or a CCDA or basically anything else.

You DONT need a CCNA to get a CCIE, but you'd be hardpressed to do so.

Brian V is quite right.

If you're looking for a shortcut, you can always go straight to CCIE level as there is no pre-requisite ;-)

oh no im kinda doing my CCNA .3 now, so will probably be CCNA cert'd by end of this year, just looking to do CCNP aftrwards and was wondering if i could do it at a later time.

Would you say CCNP was a ig step up from CCNA or would say its quite a comfotable step up?

what about CCSP? is that any good?

CCNP is a comfortable step up.

CCNA is knowing a little about a lot. With each CCNP exam, you focus in one one core area - plus a few bits a pieces that Cisco couldn't think where to stick anywhere else. So, yes, you go into greater depth, but in general the material is more sensibly interrelated for each exam. I reckon each CCNP exam will take you around half the time that the entire CCNA takes, meaning the four exams will take you about twice as long.