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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:49:56 -0700, AL wrote:

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... except, of course, for when it tells you wrong :-{ !

Cheers, -- tlvp
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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On 09/24/2016 03:28 PM, tlvp wrote:
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A not uncommon occurrence :-(

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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:53:45 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

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Made even more unpalatable by the occasions on which it urges you, several
times over, to keep left, say, then tells you to take the next exit, on the
right. Only thing more annoying is the CT Interstate road-repair warnings,
typically "Caution! Left two lanes closed ahead," followed by lane closures
of the right lane or two instead. Cheers, -- tlvp (sorry, gone way OT)
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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:49:56 -0700, AL wrote:

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I have been using GPS since we put the DeLorme "buttons" on our dashboards
and plugged the wires into our laptop RS232 ports and powered the laptops
with inverters plugged into our cigarette lighter sockets.

I've always thought that following map instructions is like "following a
leader".

a. If you don't know more than the leader does, then follow the leader.

b. But, if you do know more than the leader does, then lead the way
yourself.

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On 9/24/2016 9:31 AM, Horace Algiers wrote:

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A Chrysler I had years ago kept the maps on an optical drive under the  
drivers seat. It was a proprietary disk of course. Chrysler wanted $125  
for an updated disk. I declined.


Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:58:49 -0700, AL wrote:

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Yeah, I think I paid something like 300 bucks for "mapsource" (or something
like that) maps for my streetpilot III "RAM sticks" from garmin and about
$1000 for a Garmin nuvi 770 that had Europe maps.

Geezus. Who would have known a *free* map would be better than a $1000 pay
map!

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:20:22 -0700, AL wrote:

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Ah. Thanks for confirming that an "app ops" app would still be needed in
Android 5, but not in Android 6.

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That makes complete sense to me.

I don't "log in" to any map app, so, they only can get where I am when I
turn on their access to GPS (which I usually leave on).

I feel GPS is *accurate enough* for me when I am mapping, so, I have zero
need for "SSID location" or "cell tower location" which Android seems to
call "coarse" or "approximate" location.

Given that I am never always logged into any account (not even Google
Play!), is there any other app, other than a map app, that *needs* location
access?

NOTE: I realize apps like "waze" and "weather" and "gas buddy" can use
location to your advantage *when you need that* - but does any app *need* a
*constant* 24/7 location access to work for you?

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I agree that most people might get annoyed when an app *asks* for location
permission - but don't the iOS users live with that exact fact?

Besides, how many apps actually *need* full-time 24/7 location access?

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?

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The WiFi analyzer may need to know what country it is in, because the
law changes, and with it the channels that are available. The
application may thus autoconfigure to only listen in the legal channels
for the current country.

Just one reason it occurred to me.


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Depending on the Android version, permissions are requested at install
time or at runtime.

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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 03:58:27 +0200, "Carlos E.R."

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Nope.  WiFi Analyzer is a receive only (passive) sniffer/monitor
program.  It doesn't transmit.  The various rules and regulatations
are for transmit power and frequencies, and would not apply to a
receiver.  As long as the receiver meets incidental radiation (FCC
Part 15) requirements which is handled by the maker of the tablet or
cellphone.  If someone wants to use WiFi Analyzer as a connection
manager, the available transmit channels will be automagically limited
by the tablet or smartphone firmware, not the application.

Looking at WiFi Analyzer, it will receive from Ch 1 to 14, which is
well outside the US range of Ch 1 to 11.  There is no country setting
in the app settings.

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That's changing.
<https://inthecheesefactory.com/blog/things-you-need-to-know-about-android-m-permission-developer-edition/en
  "In Android 6.0 Marshmallow, application will not be granted any
  permission at installation time. Instead, application has to  
  ask user for a permission one-by-one at runtime."

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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:02:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

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That will be a welcome sight when the apps have to ask *us* for "runtime
permission" *when* they want them, and that we can say "no" for spurious
permissions.

   "In Android 6.0 Marshmallow, an application will not be granted any
permission at installation time. Instead, an application has to ask user
for a permission one-by-one at runtime."

Apparently, the developer has to *force* the dialog box to ask the user,
otherwise, the app will just *not* get the requested information, and may
crash (depending on how the app handles errors).

Apparently, from reading Jeff's recommended article, developers have two
choices, depending on whether they "set" their targetSdkVersion to 23 and
above, or 22 and lower.

If targetSdkVersion = 22 and lower, then the app will request permissions
at install time; if targetSdkVersion = 23 and above, the app will get no
permission at install time, and, instead, it has to ask for permissions at
run time.

I suspect most developers will set it to target 22; but I would be
pleasantly surprised if they set it to target 23!

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On 2016-09-26 02:23, Horace Algiers wrote:
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I have seen several apps ask at runtime.

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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:18:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

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That's good information to know.
I have only seen, I think, map apps ask for location access at runtime (as
I recall).  

But, overall, other than *map* apps and perhaps the "convenience" apps such
as weather and local news, is there anyone who sees a danger or problem
with simply turning off all apps' location access, and then, just turning
on the location access *when* and *if* it's actually needed by you?

What apps *need* location access?
- maps
- customized apps for your location (e.g., weather & news & prices)
- anything else?

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On 2016-09-26 04:38, Horace Algiers wrote:
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I think there are two options at that time: ask for permission, or ask
you to enable location, if it is disabled at the time.


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I leave on the coarse location. I do not activate the GPS because it
draws the battery, and because no app really needs that precision except
a map.

And I leave on the coarse location because I use some apps that need at
least some location info. I have one for a supermarket that wants fine
location and I refused. With the coarse location it can know good enough
if I am at the supermarket and which one. So I blocked it from starting,
it was using too much battery.

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Cheers, Carlos.


Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:02:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

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Thanks for checking up on this for us Jeff.

Given that it just "passively" scans for frequencies which include Europe
and US channels, the WiFi analyzer basically shouldn't need location
access, and, what's worse, the fact that it *asks* for location access,
probably means that they "do something" with it (e.g., maybe they transmit
it back to the mother ship?).

Why else would it ask if they didn't do something with it?

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On 2016-09-26 02:22, Horace Algiers wrote:

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I doubt it.

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Well... for instance, to show adds for my location.

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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:17:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

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Ah. I never see the ads.  
Maybe they are there, but I never look.
So I forgot about that.

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On 2016-09-26 04:35, Horace Algiers wrote:
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They disappear if you pay. Or maybe if it thinks there are no suitable
adds. They display as a banner on the bottom (big tablet) and some times
as popups when going out of the setup menu.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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More details:

On 5GHz, WiFi analyzer looks at 16 channels at a time.  There's a
sliding window at the top of the screen to allow users to select which
16 channels to view.  Looks like the end to end range is 5170 to 5815
MHz.

Also, I goofed a little on how channels are selected.  In the WiFi
Analyzer settings, there are two pages for setting the available
channels for 2.4 and 5GHz bands.  The list appears to be pre-populated
for US channels.  I have no idea what will happen if the tablet is
moved to another jurisdiction.  It might be automatic, or it might be
a manual ordeal filling out the proper channels.  It might also be
limited by the capabilities of the Wi-Fi radio.

The full list allows scanning from:
2.4GHz  Ch 1 to 15
5GHz    Ch 183 (4915MHz) to Ch 165 (5825Mhz)


Drivel:  I have my Linksys EA2700 router set to "auto channel" on
5GHz.  There are only a few 5GHz routers in my neighborhood, so I
would expect to find them evenly distributed among the available
frequencies.  That's roughly what I found when I started writing this
rant.  After about 10 mins, I find that all 4 of the visible systems,
including mine, had moved and are now piled up near the top of the
frequency range, including mine.  That's all of them within a few
channels of each other with plenty of overlap.  Yet another Wi-Fi
feature that doesn't work quite right.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/5GHz-clutter.png

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Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:31:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

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It would be nice if some of our European friends on this ng would install
and test that WiFi analyzer to tell us how it works with the European
2.4GHz channels.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer

Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
On 2016-09-26 02:22, Horace Algiers wrote:

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I see 1 to 14, 15 is out. But the list is manually configurable. And
second but, 15 is not an option to enable.

The 5 GHz band enables 36 40 44 48 149 153 157 161, but it does not
appear to work.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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