Never had an alarm before but...

I'm just beginning to research home security systems. It is quite bewildering, and salespeople are not much use as a source of unbiased information, to say the least.

I've not had much luck finding a place on the internet where I can read reviews of the different types of system, reviews of monitoring companies etc.

Does such exist? If so, where?

I was a bit put off by a guy from ADT who offered my "over 1200 dollars worth" of hardware (but only if I signed up today), and what amounted to $42.00 / mo for monitoring. ($CDN here).

Can't I just by the best hardware, install it myself and pay somebody to monitor it? Surely if I can build computers, I can install other electronics.

Or is there more to this than I can even imagine?

I no so little about this whole thing I don't even know what I don't know.

Tkx, V

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brumac
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Beware! Some alarm companies can be bigger "crooks" than the crooks you are trying to protect yourself from.

They will lock you into monitoring contracts and control the electronic equipment so that if you cancel their monitoring, your equipment will not function.

Don't sign any contracts.

Buy your equipment for cash/credit card on internet or wherever. Pay someone to install it or do it yourself - no contracts.

There are companies which will do monitoring for very little and have fairly simple contracts. The following company looks good to me, but might want to look at others as well.

Anyway be in the position where *you* own your equipment and you decide where it will be monitored. If not happy with your monitoring, you may be locked in for a year, and may be required to give them notice in writing that you want to cancel, but at least you will be able to switch.

Also alarm systems can be "locked out" by the monitoring company. Get it in writing that they will not lock out your alarm system and that should you cancel, they will return control of the alarm system to you.

So far as interrior motion detectors, get a "dual" type which is IR and microwave. The are not likely to have false alarms. And wireless systems use batteries which cost a fortune. I have my system "hard wired" and don't need to buy any batteries.

Ask questions here about specific door contacts, smoke detectors, motion sensors, best monitoring companies, etc. and you should get good answers.

One monitoring company...

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Bill

Sir, your post is full of half truths, misconceptions and plain outright incorrect facts. See below ..........................................................................................................................................................

RHC: Some may be just as in every other industry; however, the vast majority are NOT, and are simply trying to provide good honest service to their clients. Your generalized smear of the industry is not warranted in any way, shape of form.

RHC: They may well lock you into a contract of some duration. That is the industry norm. It's also a fact that if you shop around, you may be able to find companies that don't. However, cancellation of monitoring does not affect the system in it's ability to work in "local" (non monitored mode). Many if not most DIY'ers opt for no monitoring, or something they call "self monitoring". IMO they are shortchanging themselves; however, the measure of security they choose is their choice. But all alarms will work in local mode.

RHC: A long term contract may or may not be an option depending upon the company you choose. However, no company will ever work without a contract being signed whatever the term...monthly or long term. That would be extremely foolish !

RHC: That is an option. However, it may be difficult to find a company that wishes to install a non monitored account...for two reasons. Or if you do, it will be at an expensive price. Monitoring is where the money is, and second...non monitored accounts simply don't work very well. The party you choose to do the installations may or may not do a good job. It has been my experience that the contractors that do this casually for clients generally don't have the experience level to do what most would consider a professional quality installation. That usually translates into the systems ability to do it's job with no false alarm problems !

RHC: Provided you choose a ULC rated company, you can get raw monitoring for $10 a month. What you give up is the warranty and service of a dealer for the extra dollars a month. At that point, it becomes a crapshoot ! You're betting you never need the services of a dealer, because if you do, it's going to be a subcontractor, and his prices for the simplest service will quickly eat up any perceived gain from the lower rate ! But like everything in life, it's the consumers choice. But my personal opinion, is it's a poor bet for the consumer !!

RHC: That's the first thing you've said that makes sense !!! Freedom to move comes with the shortest contract but in turn will be the hardest to find ! Long term contracts build a measure of equity in their companies, so most choose to sell that way. It's purely business; NOT a scam as you seem to be suggesting !

RHC: Your terminology of "locked out" is confusing. Every company changes the installer code while they are responsible for your system, and that is as it should be. Any other company coming in simply has to default the board back to factory specs, and reprogram. It's no big deal, and wise to do anyway, to eliminate undefined signals going to the Central Station !! However, if the board has the hardware lockout activated as well, this cannot be done. If the equipment belongs to the client, and there is nothing owing in the way of revenues to the company, it is not legitimate for ANY reason. If it is locked, and the company refuses to unlock it, it amounts to theft, pure and simple.

RHC: Wireless systems today are very good; however, they do require more service due to batteries. A hard wired system overall usually gives you more reliable service over the long term.

RHC: Yes, you will get good answers here provided you don't come in with preconceived and incorrect ideas as you have stated in this post. Try coming in with an open mind; ask valid questions that don't piss people off at the beginning, and you will generally get good advice from professionals in the business. Continue to "diss" our industry and you will get what you deserve...

RHC: Another good "direct to end user" ULC rated company in Canada is

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But know beforehand, you will be charged for the setup, and one full year in advance. Service will be by subcontractor who has no vested interest in your system, and can be expensive. Your choice !!

R.H.Campbell Home Security Metal Products Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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R.H.Campbell

Robert, this is a really great post.

I'm sure you'd get thanks from everyone.

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Reply to
Jim

Settle down, Beevis. You have some valid points here but there isn't a dealer in town who'll monitor your alarm without some sort of contract. Ask for a month-to-month one but expect to pay a little more.

Reply to
mikey

See Bob, I told youse Jim was alright. He's just blunt. I like blunt.

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Reply to
mikey

Blunt is one thing; grossly ignorant is quite another. Irrespective of our business differences, I don't like people like that !

The world is too damn full of them....

RHC

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R.H.Campbell

I'm disappointed in your response here, my friend. Whether you "like" him or not, he is unbiased in his opinions of your posts and responded in kind (unlike most of the mudslingers here). I think you missed that.

Reply to
mikey

No Mikey, I think you missed MY point ! I don't have to approve of someone who fills the newsgroup with vile garbage; someone who would tell someone to "F off" on Xmas eve; someone who feels he has to be the newsgroup "enforcer". That kind of thing belongs in a bar, not on a newsgroup that is supposed to be representative of our industry. While I might respect him as a peer in the industry, and his knowledge vis a vis installation practices, that is not sufficient in my view to justify his crap !! While I nor anyone can do a thing about it, I certainly don't have to approve !

It has nothing to do with his responses to my post, or the fact that we disagree on certain things. It has everything to do with his lack of civil behaviour. Nor do I give a damn what he thinks of what I think in this regard...

Nuff said....

RHC

Reply to
R.H.Campbell

Bob,

Look at the headers. It's "Paul".

Reply to
Robert L Bass

Oh crap ! Well that explains it....haven't seen a post like that for awhile. Pauly has returned.....

RHC

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Reply to
R.H.Campbell

I don't mind him being blunt (as opposed to sharp). Even his gross ignorance isn't an issue. It's his vicious, hateful deportment that I find offensive. The only difference between him and Olson is he swears more (which makes it easier for normal people to see him for what he is).

Reply to
Robert L Bass

Shocking!

Being among the worst of the mudslingers, what gives you the right to complain.

Reply to
Robert L Bass

What he said. js

Reply to
alarman

And the difference between you and me, Robert, is that I won't smear anyone with innuendo, misleading statements, and/or outright lies.

Reply to
Frank Olson

Niether do I.

But when I meet one, the only way to get their attention is to get right on down to their level.

Peeeeek a booooo!

I seeeee youuuuuu! :-)

On the other hand, you might consider that after paying you a compliment, you call me ignorant.

Well then ........... In this case .......... I guess you're right.

Reply to
Jim

Zebras can't change their stripes either; you can't help it........

RHC

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Reply to
R.H.Campbell

And I suppose YOU think that YOU represent """ OUR """" industry? Suuuuurrrre you do. You do everything bass ackwards and call other dealers crooks and you have the nerve to consider yourself in OUR industry? Yeh surrrre!

Unfortunately the respect in this regard is not mutual.

Uhhhh still using those pushbuttons on doors that the manufacturers don't recommend? Have you ever installed a panel with more than 8 zones? Take a second and tell us all you've learned about this industry in the ..... what ....5 years you've been stealing accounts by enticing ADT clients by offering them no contracts and free service because you couldn't sell yourself out of a paper bag? Yet constantly complaining about the companies who offer free alarms. Can you spell duplisious errrr dupltus errrr dup......... nah ..... I guess you can't.

How many accounts did you predict you'd wind up with and what did I tell you would happen? Did I tell you that in 5 to 7 or 8 years service would be a problem? And what's happening now did you say ? HMMMMMMM? Didn't you say that service was getting a little much? Sure you did .... Admit it now ..... or I'll bet I could dig up that post where you said it Thought that got by me did you? I'm just sitin here waitin for it all to happen. Come on Robert ....... tell us how much you know. Oppps your second is up. ZEEEEEEERO!

And guess who'll be there to disapprove of YOU ....... :-) Actually if you'll remember that famous saying, " You don't have any say over what anyone does here. If you don't like it you can leave."

However, you can be just like me and not like it, stay here and say what I think ......... whether you acknowledge it, like it, read it .......... or not. The important thing is, anyone you spout off to with your silly crap WILL see it and I can post to you any damn time I want to. You wan't to play silly games ? I can even do that better than you.

Nah Robert.

You know better than that.

You know that no matter what, ..........

No matter how you respond

No matter what you think or do

YOU know that what you are doing in this group with regard to term contracts is wrong. If you persist, I will contradict you and oppose you each and every time. If you get snotty, I will get snottyer. I will get

down to your level each and every time. I can out talk you, out smart you, out think you at each and every turn and you know it. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Live with it. Take it to what ever level you choose I'll be there.

Oh and since it's exactly what you don't like ......just for the record

Fuck off!

See how that works?

Reply to
Jim

It's not about stripes Robert.

It's about right and wrong and mutual respect.

Do the right thing.

And all is well.

Toodles! :-)

Reply to
Jim

Bob,

Why do you bother? No one capable of thought respects him or gives the slightest credence to anything he says.

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Robert L Bass

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