X-10 commands via Harmony remote?

From the limited specs I can find on the web the 880 seems to be IR only. Even if it has RF, it won't work with North American X-10 unless it uses

Insteon uses 902-924MHz with FSK modulation so unless a remote has been designed specifically for Insteon it's unlikely to support it.

Most programmable remotes that have RF use 418MHz (N. America) or 433.92MHz (Eur>I'd like to get a Harmony remote to reduce "remote clutter." But, is there

Dave:

Thanks for the info. You are correct. The 880 does not have RF, but the 890 does:

Thanks again...

Craig

Craig,

Do you know what RF frequency the 890 uses?

If Logitech has the X-10 IR codes >Dave:

Dave:

A closer read of their website reveals that the 890 supports Z-WAVE. They suggest that, in the future, they will also support other HA protocols. But, if you can get a remote to control X10 via an IR543, couldn't you just use that remote to program the 890? It is, afterall, a learning remote. My understanding is that you can use the learn function to capture the IR signals coming out of a separate remote with the Harmony remotes for devices not supported on their website.

In any event, this unit is pretty expensive and doesn't appear to even be on the market yet. They want $399 for the remote and $99 for the receiver. That's a little step. There must be a cheaper but equally elegant way to do this!

Thanks once again for your help.

Craig

In the past they could only be programmed by downloading from their online database. Perhaps that has changed. I haven't paid much attention to it in the past few years.

If you can find one, a refurbished Pronto TSU3000 (not color) costs less than $200. It's far more programmable.

There's also software (Remote C>Dave:

The 880 is programmable via the online database, entering codes directly, or IR remote-to-remote learning. I would bet the 890 would carry on that level of programming flexibility.

You say, "entering codes directly". Is it a proprietary protocol or can it be a CCF code?

Well, the RF compatibility of the 890 certainly makes it optimal for HA applications. If they do provide for some way to set it up with the IR543, then maybe I'll take the plunge.

Thanks for your help.

Craig

I've never really looked at it in depth. One of the principals in Intrigue Technology (who created the Harmony remote) contacted me a few years ago to discuss X-10 and RF. IIRC, at that time they had no way to enter codes directly.

Can you modify the graphics?

"Kurt Delaney" wrote:

It is a CCF code, entered through the web site configuration, and then it is downloaded to the device. I personally have not used that feature w/ my

Yes, you can download diferent graphics rather than using the standard ones, but haven't tried that either...

What I meant was that the 890 has an optional RF->IR base station. This is used to enable the transmission of control signals via RF (i.e. through walls) to your home entertainment system. The RF base station then transmits IR signals to the various AV components. Since the IR543 is an IR component, then it should be possible to transmit X10 codes over the RF and have these converted to IR via the base station, which then outputs to the IR543. I did not mean to imply that the 890 could directly transmit X10 controls to an X10 RF receiver (though it'd be really cool if it could do this). I don't know anything about Z-WAVE, or if the 890 directly communicates with ZWAVE over RF, or if that would similarly need an IR receiver in front of the

Does anyone make an RF-capable remote that can transmit RF signals to an X10-compatible receiver/powerline converter?

Craig

Z-Wave is RF only so the 890 must use RF to communicate with it. Z-Wave uses FSK modulation at 908.42MHz. No other HA RF system uses that. X-10 uses ASK modulation at 310MHz in N. America and 433.92MHz elsewhere.

Most of the RF capable remotes in N. America use ASK at 418MHz. Elsewhere they use ASK at 433.92MHz. In Europe many lighting systems also use ASK at

Another idea is to use an ocelot. Out of the box the ocelot will translate the IR into X-10. It's about $150. That's cheaper than some of the other ideas from previous posters.