Can't see very simple HTML pages with Norton Internet Security!!!!!

Took a while to find out that... Nothing really unusual about your problems.

You! No software is better than you. Any other security software will have the same issues sooner or later. It is inherent in the way they are designed and because it is still dumb software and nothing else.

Gerald

Woah, woah, woah...hold up there. That ONLY works if the user is INTELLIGENT, if the user is an IDIOT...then no, stick with Norton. It might be an unbudging bitch of a cyber nanny, but if yer a complete fuckup then it'll keep you out of trouble and that's just what some users need.

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Onideus Mad Hatter mhm ¹ x ¹

Hatter Quotes

------------- "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww, gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

If the user is an idiot, that is what needs fixing.

or add to them

Users need to know what they are doing.

But a lot of users simply cannot be educated. You know there's a reason they stopped referring to retards as "trainables"...and it wasn't because it wasn't PC, it's because IT SIMPLY WASN'T TRUE. o_O

You can't fix stupid.

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Onideus Mad Hatter mhm ¹ x ¹

Hatter Quotes

------------- "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww, gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Then you can't protect stupid either.

I'd suggest you try a Linux Live CD - Knoppix is the standard by which others are measured. I've been running Linux on four home computers for five years online 24/7/365 via a broadband connection. During that time we have had zero malware infestations. I do not bother with anything like norton - I simply use the system defaults, and everything works. I cannot understand why MS people keep beating themselves up like this. Linux will also come with GIMP image manipulation program, OpenOffice suite, and about 25000 other free programs. The only shortcoming I've found so far: there does not seem to be a decent simple program for printing greeting cards - so I run an MS one on Linux under WINE.

Sure you can...well, or rather you can protect stupid from itself...to a degree. That's not FIXING the stupid, that's just preventing it from SPREADING. ^_^

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Onideus Mad Hatter mhm ¹ x ¹

Hatter Quotes

------------- "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww, gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Linux is great for a LOT of things...a desktop environment REALLY isn't one of them though. If you're THAT fucking stupid...go get a Mac, stay the fuck away from Linux and quit infesting it with your stupid.

Or, if you'd like trip and look stupid, by all means, attempt to defend your failing position of Linux as a desktop environment...I'll very much enjoy ripping it to pieces... `, )

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Onideus Mad Hatter mhm ¹ x ¹

Hatter Quotes

------------- "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww, gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

I guess I must be that stupid. I've been using the Linux desktops - specifically Gnome and KDE on various distributions for about seven years now. I've also installed eight Linux internet computers at the local library which have run virtually without OS maintenance (and more importantly without patron complaint) for over two years now.

Perhaps you'd like to give me some specific shortcomings you've found with Linux as a desktop environment - I've already spelled out the one that I've found.

1. teh driver support is SHIT, most times, even if something DOES work...yeah...it's not even coming anywhere the fuck remotely close to actually making use of the hardware's full potential.
2. obviously gaming is limited. Wine will work with VERY simplistic applications, but you start tryin to use it on high end stuff...mmm...dunno work so good.
3. there's a LOT of specialized Windows software that simply will not work on Linux and often there is either no alternative or if there is an alternative it's not as good as the Windows one.
4. development platforms and distribution formats like Flash, most often Linux is the LAST os they even consider since it's hardly in use by anybody as a desktop environment. That means if you're using Windows you ALWAYS get first view of any new and emerging tech, where as with Linux you often have to wait a year or two before they'll even bother to port it. I mean just look at how long it took them to get Flash 9 for Linux...hell it was so far behind they SKIPPED an entire version. So for almost two years Windows and Mac users had exclusive access to Flash 8 and later Flash 9 content before they FINALLY got it on Linux (and it's still only a beta...although so far it's worked with everything I've thrown at it).

Really those four things are what make Linux such an inferior desktop operating system...and they won't go away...EVER. Linux is great for a LOT of things, like symmetric multi-processing and running a web server (which is what I use it for), but a desktop environment for surfing the web and shit...man that's just fuckin stupid. I mean that is just ball up, Jesus killing, child molesting retarded...it really is...ESPECIALLY if your only reason is that you're too gawd damn fuckin retarded to figure out how to avoid getting infected with Malware. There are *SO* many different options and ways of preventing Malware infections on Windows...yeah...I can't see as how it would EVER reach a point where you would need to resort to Linux (except out of sheer fucking stupidity). Seriously, installing Deep Freeze is a fuck of a lot better than retarding back to such a deficient form of desktop environment like Linux. That's like cutting off your nose to try and spite your face. I mean, did you even BOTHER looking for solutions to your Malware problem on Windows or did you just retard directly to Linux?

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Onideus Mad Hatter mhm ¹ x ¹

Hatter Quotes

------------- "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww, gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

But, believe me, not with Norton InSecurity ;-)

Yours, VB.

MacMinis are cheap.

The BSD in a Mac is quite strange ;-) Have a look at this perverted peace of software Apple is calling a "kernel" ;-)

Yours, VB.

Depends on what you need. Actually, we're using Macs with OSX for all of our non-technicians. I'm personally writing this on a MacBook Pro. But for daily work, I prefer Fluxbox on Debian GNU/Linux (coming from WindowMaker), because it's so much faster. Of course, I'm typting this text into a terminal, which is connected via SSH to a Slowlaris machine anyways ;-)

Yes.

Ridiculous.

Yours, VB.

Good morning:

Good morning:

Apple tries not to allow this:

It's not, that there would be no software, with which this is possible, but Apple is torpedoing the Free Software world here.

So Linux users will depend on this one, which is not satisfying.

Yours, VB.

I don't post here much, but thought I'd ring in on one thing here Mr. Hatter, sir...

It was $hit, but it's getting better, and with every passing day/week/ month, corporate sponsorship is growing, and you can't argue that it's marketshare is growing,

Taken from Cnet in 2000, "Linux will pose a significant threat to Microsoft for market share among server operating systems over the next few years, according to new research released today."

Taken from ITFacts.biz in 2004 (who I'm sure is VERY reputable ',-) ) "Market researcher IDC expects to announce within weeks that Linux PC market share in 2003 hit 3.2%, overtaking Apple Computer Inc.'s MacOS. And the researcher expects Linux to capture 6% of this market by 2007. That's still tiny compared with Microsoft's 94% share."

Then, just last Feb, IDC released this... "In servers, IDC predicts Linux' market share based on unit sales will rise from 24% today to

33% in 2007, compared with 59% for Windows. In a survey of business users by Forrester Research, 52% said they are now replacing Windows servers with Linux. On the desktop side, IDC sees Linux' share more than doubling, from 3% today to 6% in 2007, while Windows loses a bit of ground. IDC expects the total market for Linux devices and software to jump from $11 bln last year to $35.7 bln by 2008. "

Gaming will be the last consideration by the majority, but the gamers' community will help it grow, that's the great thing about OSS

You mean I can't get Konqueror to work on Vista? Gee... why not?

Go figure.... that would be a drawback of the OSS, not as much motivation to get a product released...

So let me see if I got this... Just because it's capable of symmetric multi-processing, it should be a server instead of a desktop OS. Hmm... well, not to get too 'technical' and stuff... but what does that matter, who has the right to say, and so what if I want to run a dual xeon box running Mepis, PCLinuxOS, or heck, DamnSmallLinux, who the #uck cares? What does it matter? I didn't have to pay for the OS license?

As much crap as you're giving linux, it would seem as though you either don't like it or don't know it...

We certainly agree that bad software creates an easy target. Windows OS is a bandaid approach to writing software, no question. But linux, well, it's just written better, written well, and written more secure. I didn't say it WAS secure, don't misinterpret what I say... it's just not been around long enough to be as big of a target... Lets just pretend that in 30 years, linux and MS are 50/50, who would be a bigger target?

RedForeman... the original Bull$hitter

I know you don't post much. Please read the instructions for your newsreader - you posted this rubbish 3 times