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Newbie Question: 802.1q and VLAN interfaces on 877w

All,

I'm planning to buy my first Cisco router, an 877w. Could anyone take a quick look at my ideas below and let me know if this can be achieved with an Advanced IP Services image please?

I have 2x Cisco 7941 phones (old phones from work), a static /29 block from my ISP (PPPoA connection) and a few PCs on the local network.

I would like to give the 7941's an address from the static ISP- allocated range. Any traffic from the phones should be routed without NAT, directly to the ISP's gateway. PCs plugged into the spare port on the back of the phones should receive a 192.168.0.x address and be NAT'ed on their way to the internet. PCs attached to wireless would act in the same way as the PC's hooked up to the back of the phones.

I think this can be achieved using 802.1Q VLAN trunking and layer 3 VLAN interfaces on the router, but I'm only a newbie. Could anyone confirm please?

  • There would be two VLANS trunked through fa0/0-3. The PCs would be in the Native VLAN, the phones in a trunked VLAN .

  • The Wireless interface would have only the Native VLAN, since there is no possibility to attach phones.

  • Each VLAN would have it's own VLAN interface with a seperate DHCP pool.

  • One DHCP pool would contain the /29 from the ISP (minus one address, used by the ATM0 interface) to be allocated to the phones, the other DHCP pool would contain the 192.168.0.x/24 range, for allocation to the PCs.

  • The VLAN interface for the PCs would have an "IP nat inside source" statement

  • The VLAN interface for the Phones would not require this statement

  • The ATM0 interface would have an "IP nat outside" statement and an associated dialer interface.

Does the above sound plausible on this entry-level router?

One question I don't know the answer to is, how will the phones know to use the trunked VLAN rather than the native? Do they need some kind of special setting to ask them to only send traffic along the trunk, while leaving the native for an attached PC?

Sorry this has been such a long explanation and thank you to anyone who responds.

All the best

James.

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James.Brown
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A few random toughts

OK. Each interface is configured as a dot1q trunk with a sub-interface configured as dot1q in VLAN 20 (for example)

Check that your router supports dot1q trunking, and check its Config Guide for the exact format for creating a dot1q trunk.

Just use a normal interface config for it in the same VLAN as the above native VLAN

Make sure your router supports VLAN interfaces and check config guide for how to configure them.

Don't forget the IP-HELPER address on the VLAN 20 interface.

The phones have a trunked interface in them, and a normal switched interface to the PC.

For an all-cisco environment, you configure the trunk for example:

interface FastEthernet1/0/31 switchport access vlan 10 switchport voice vlan 20

Otherwise:

interface GigabitEthernet1/0/4 switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport trunk native vlan 10 switchport mode trunk switchport trunk allowed vlan 10,20

But check your router Config Guide for the exact commands you need to achieve something similar.

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Arthur Brain

Arthur Brain wrote: ...

I forgot the most important question your question was begging....

What are you going to do with your phones? They won't be any use unless they can register with a GK to set calls up to/from them, ie, Cisco Call Manager needs to admin them.

You'd have to be pretty whiz-bang to write your own app to do call setup & signalling, etc.. Better start reading the Encyclopaedia of H.323/Q.931.....

Maybe there is an open-source app for doing it?

Reply to
Arthur Brain

Hi Arthur,

Thanks very much for your reply. I just have a couple of questions...

Do we have to use sub interfaces, or would the "switchport voice vlan xxx" command you mentioned, also do the job?

I've been looking through the feature comparison tool on CCO, but they don't seem to list the exact permitted commands per se. Is there anything I should be looking out for to determine whether VLAN interfaces are supported?

I think others have done the hard work for me thankfully ;-) I'll run a SIP image on the phone, then connect to one of the many sip proxies

- here in the UK, voip.co.uk have written their own app and it's rumoured to be quite Cisco friendly. They support G729 or G711 with RTP carrying the voice. Otherwise,

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The 79x1 phones are a special case because unlike the 79x0 series, they do not support NAT, hence my requirement for an outside IP.

All the best

James.

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James.Brown

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