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One of my customers moved to a house that already had an alarm system insta
lled. Vista 20 panel with a zone expander, two keypads and get this...?
??

10 motion detectors and 9 audio glass break detectors. Two out of three doo
rs have hard wired contacts. The third door has no contact (depends on moti
on detector for detection). No windows have contacts.
The motions detectors and the glass break detectors are located in the corn
er of each room BUT ?.. they are mounted side by side on the flat s
urface of the wall in the corner. In other words, the motion detector only  
covers half the room and the glass break detectors don't face the windows.

But, get this ?.. there was an addition put on the house. So the l0
th motion detector is mounted in the dirt floor three foot high crawl space
 under the addition that is separated from the original basement by the old
 foundation wall that has two basement windows as access. I guess because t
he crawl space has an outside entrance. however, the two basement windows a
re covered by a motion detector and a glass break detector located in the f
inished basement.  

There are three self contained 30 watt sirens in each of 3 attic vents powe
red with an auxiliary power supply through a relay and the power supply als
o powers all the glass breaks and motion detectors. No aux power is drawn f
rom the panel. I'm guessing they did it that way because they had a problem
 sharing the power with the panel because they didn't know that you had to  
have a common ground between the supplies and they couldn't get it to work  
right.  

There's also a smoke detector in the boiler room.

So ??. fix that ?.. why doncha!

I'm guessing that this is a perfect example of a DIY project.  

Ya just don't know ????. what ya don't know
.

Re: You always think you've seen it all
On 7/18/2018 12:32 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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Jim,

And you.................
Powered up, pressed * and # entered programming
changed the installer code, Master Code for customer
account number, and phone number, told the customer
to call if he has a problem right??

I hope not!!!

Yes, it was definitely a DIY project for sure.

SCARY!!

Les



Re: You always think you've seen it all
On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
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nstalled. Vista 20 panel with a zone expander, two keypads and get this...
?
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 doors have hard wired contacts. The third door has no contact (depends on  
motion detector for detection). No windows have contacts.
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corner of each room BUT ?.. they are mounted side by side on the fl
at surface of the wall in the corner. In other words, the motion detector o
nly covers half the room and the glass break detectors don't face the windo
ws.
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e l0th motion detector is mounted in the dirt floor three foot high crawl s
pace under the addition that is separated from the original basement by the
 old foundation wall that has two basement windows as access. I guess becau
se the crawl space has an outside entrance. however, the two basement windo
ws are covered by a motion detector and a glass break detector located in t
he finished basement.
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powered with an auxiliary power supply through a relay and the power supply
 also powers all the glass breaks and motion detectors. No aux power is dra
wn from the panel. I'm guessing they did it that way because they had a pro
blem sharing the power with the panel because they didn't know that you had
 to have a common ground between the supplies and they couldn't get it to w
ork right.
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know.

Actually and fortunately I had pulled the equipment from his old house (jus
t installed about a year ago. ( he moved because his wife just passed away)

So I was able to utilize his old sensing devices. I eliminated seven of the
 motion detectors. Only left those what were essential to detecting someone
 coming in from areas where windows were close to the ground. He had wirele
ss in his old house so I was able to use some of the transmitters and other
 sensors on openings that were most vulnerable. I left the audio glass brea
ks connected in each room and tested them. I showed him that they would res
pond to a tester but told him that with blinds, curtains, drapes etc there'
s a possibility they wouldn't. (noted in contract) He's a long time custome
r and his whole family, brothers, sister and kids have been my customers fo
r many years.

Oh, there was a splice up in the attic too. Seems that rather than bringing
 4-wires down to the panel (basement) from each sensor they brought a singl
e 4-wire for aux power up to the attic for all of the sensors. There were l
abels on the wires but about four of them were labeled WRONG!. Multiple tri
ps to the attic (80+ degrees outside) to trace which wires to disconnect fr
om the unused PIR's. I could have just disconnected the power right at the  
sensor but ?. being as compulsive as I am, I just couldn't leave al
l those wires "hot" if they weren't being used. And those wires plus all th
e audio glass break wires plus the sirens and everything else was all stuff
ed into a plastic electrical switch box. It's a good thing I wasn't standin
g in the wrong place when I loosened the cover ?? "I cuda p
ut my eye out" I couldn't put it all back in so it's just sort of hanging o
ut. But the box is out of the way so ?..

OH the humanity !!!!!!

Re: You always think you've seen it all


"Jim Davis"  wrote in message  

On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
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Psssssshaw!  You don't know hot boy.  If I was dealing with such frigid  
temps I might still be a wire monkey.



Re: You always think you've seen it all
On 7/19/2018 4:43 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Re: You always think you've seen it all
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Yeah, I can appreciate that, since you live in the baker's oven of the US.
I understand that it's tradition down there that no one ever says "go to he
ll" because they're already there.

80 degrees outside is probably like a cool winter evening to you. Although,
 if I remember right I seem to remember hearing that your nights ARE pretty
 cool.

Re: You always think you've seen it all
On 7/20/2018 10:37 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
 > On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 4:43:53 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
 >> "Jim Davis"  wrote in message
 >>
 >> On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
 >>> On 7/18/2018 12:32 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
 >>>> One of my customers moved to a house that already had an alarm system
 >>>> installed. Vista 20 panel with a zone expander, two keypads and get
 >>>> this...?
 >>>>
 >>>> 10 motion detectors and 9 audio glass break detectors. Two out of  
three
 >>>> doors have hard wired contacts. The third door has no contact (depends
 >>>> on motion detector for detection). No windows have contacts.
 >>>> The motions detectors and the glass break detectors are located in the
 >>>> corner of each room BUT ?.. they are mounted side by side on the flat
 >>>> surface of the wall in the corner. In other words, the motion detector
 >>>> only covers half the room and the glass break detectors don't face the
 >>>> windows.
 >>>>
 >>>> But, get this ?.. there was an addition put on the house. So the l0th
 >>>> motion detector is mounted in the dirt floor three foot high crawl  
space
 >>>> under the addition that is separated from the original basement by the
 >>>> old foundation wall that has two basement windows as access. I guess
 >>>> because the crawl space has an outside entrance. however, the two
 >>>> basement windows are covered by a motion detector and a glass break
 >>>> detector located in the finished basement.
 >>>>
 >>>> There are three self contained 30 watt sirens in each of 3 attic vents
 >>>> powered with an auxiliary power supply through a relay and the power
 >>>> supply also powers all the glass breaks and motion detectors. No aux
 >>>> power is drawn from the panel. I'm guessing they did it that way  
because
 >>>> they had a problem sharing the power with the panel because they  
didn't
 >>>> know that you had to have a common ground between the supplies and  
they
 >>>> couldn't get it to work right.
 >>>>
 >>>> There's also a smoke detector in the boiler room.
 >>>>
 >>>> So ??. fix that ?.. why doncha!
 >>>>
 >>>> I'm guessing that this is a perfect example of a DIY project.
 >>>>
 >>>> Ya just don't know ????. what ya don't know.
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Jim,
 >>>
 >>> And you.................
 >>> Powered up, pressed * and # entered programming
 >>> changed the installer code, Master Code for customer
 >>> account number, and phone number, told the customer
 >>> to call if he has a problem right??
 >>>
 >>> I hope not!!!
 >>>
 >>> Yes, it was definitely a DIY project for sure.
 >>>
 >>> SCARY!!
 >>>
 >>> Les
 >>
 >>>>> Multiple trips to the attic (80+ degrees outside) to trace which  
wires
 >>>>> to disconnect from the unused PIR's.
 >>
 >>
 >> Psssssshaw!  You don't know hot boy.  If I was dealing with such frigid
 >> temps I might still be a wire monkey.
 >
 >
 > Yeah, I can appreciate that, since you live in the baker's oven of  
the US.
 > I understand that it's tradition down there that no one ever says "go  
to hell" because they're already there.
 >
 > 80 degrees outside is probably like a cool winter evening to you.  
Although, if I remember right I seem to remember hearing that your  
nights ARE pretty cool.
 >

We see freezing temps once in a great while, but no more than a quick  
frost the last few years.  I have fished winter time tournaments where  
the water would come up the line more like a gel than a liquid, and you  
could feel the ice break on the spooled up line every time you made a  
cast.  I've seen predawn temps in the teens (F) a few times over the  
years, but its been a while.  Still 80 degrees is a beautiful day around  
here.  Everyday over 100 some over 110 the last month or two.  Had a  
couple overcast days where it barely hit 100, but the humidity was high  
so...  100 and dry is actually pretty nice if you are used to it.  100  
and humid kills people, and not just in the Southwest.



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