Connecting to someone elses Wi-Fi network (w/internet access)!

you know who it is then...

I'm no lawyer, or legislator (although I am a student of criminology) but you *may* be very wrong. Wi-Fi hot spots all have rules associated with the use of their bandwidth and it's usually reserved for their customers. In any event, they intend to make their network available. I doubt your neighbor has that intention. If it were me, I'd very careful about trespassing. The real issue is "will you get caught" and no one can predict that.

As far as Comcast is concerned, take note: A while ago I called and asked what it would cost to upgrade my cable package from Digital Silver to Gold. I was told they had a special going and that for the next year, I'd get a 50% reduction off the price-more for less! Not only that, they reduced the cost of my Digital Internet from something like $ 41.95 a month to $ 29.95. And all I had to do was ask if they had any specials. Why am I telling you this? Call 'em and tell 'em your thinking of switching to DSL and ask if they have any promotions available. You might find you don't need to be trespassing at all.

LOL, like you wouldn't...

Uhm there is NO law against using someone elses wi-fi connection idiot! If someone does not secure their connection, it's their problem, not mine. The law can't prosecute me for other peoples ignorance. That's just like you saying that if I use all the free open wi-fi spots across the nation that has no 'security' I would go to jail!

NOT!

Try again moron!

A lot of wireless user are ignorant on how to protect their wireless set-up from someone like you and and its their fault for not being educated on the how-to(s). I also feel that it's part blame on the wireless manufacturers for not having documantation in the router's user manual or in a seperate booklet explaining wireless security fo the home user.

On the other hand, you're nothing but a low-life snake in the grass for taking advantage of the situation.

Duane :)

YES they can tell you are on and YES they can figure out who you are!

YES your personal info is at risk. They just need a simple logger.

BZZZT...wrong answer! You KNOW about opions and assholes right?

NO!

Yes there are cheap/free packet sniffers out there, NO you cannot stop one if they use one! You are using their conenction AFTER you would be doing whatever, therefore the last point out is in their system and they can log it and then read the logs and trun them over to the Police. ORRRR they can just steal you blind by using your own codes against you! Remember if you type it, it goes thru their system! That means YOU are opening yourself up to identity theft and doing it ON PURPOSE!!!

You should also be aware that if you are caught you can face a myriad of charges from jail to fines. You are STEALING someone elses bandwidth and that is against the law. Doesn't matter if they are actually using it or not, they paid for it and you didn't! THEY get to choose how it is used.

No I wouldn't I am not a snake and don't try do dog people out or take advantage of them. I was brought up better than that.

Duane :)

NO I WOULDN'T! In fact I have SHOWN and talked to people how open their systems are whenever I find them!

And how does that conversation start?

This is quite funny. You're stealing someone else's wifi connection, and you're worrying about whether they might be able to capture your private data while you do it. Droll.

Well the answer is of course yes. They could run some free software to capture all your data. And of course while you're connected, they can access your network too, and browse your pron and ripped mp3s.

Or maybe they're a crim running a wifi pharming AP, or the feds running a honeypot, capturing data from the gullible or from petty thieves.....

If you don't know the answer to that question, I strongly suggest you go back to school, and learn some citizenship, or ethics, or whatever passes for being a human being in your neck of the woods.

Er, yes there is. You've been misinformed if you think otherwise. But you could always offer yourself up as a test case, by phoning your local DA and explaining your theory.

This is practically a FAQ. Your argument is factually identical to "its not my fault he didn't lock his car, so its ok for me to take it"

Absolutely it can.

the nation that

I'm wondering if perhaps there's a slight difference between someone accidentally leaving their door open and you stealing their booze, and someone putting up a sign saying "free beer here today"? You don't think?

I suggest you take your own advice.

Actually the last one I sent an email too. Then I called then on the phone. BOTH untraceable of course, but I WOULD have helped them fix their system if they had asked me too. I was in the area and found it by accident while fixing a friends network.

I don't think your analogy is valid. The thefts you mention were from commercial enterprises who offered services for a fee and the people used them without paying the fee. In this case, the fee is paid to the commercial business.

The issue here is using a connection to an internet service that HAS been paid for.

Also, it seems to me that one could argue that if the consumer did not want their wireless to be shared, they could easily secure or attempt to secure it.

Bob

How can one argue the user's ignorance in the security of his or her wireless situation. If the person knew to do it and didn't do it, that would be different situation.

Duane :)

Not by you though. By similar analogy, tapping into someone else's phone line or cable is ok?

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Just because someeone doesn't fit a front door lock ,doesn't mean you can steal from them.

So if my neighbor left a dollar each day on the sidewalk in front of his house, would it be unethical to take it? Even if he didn't expect someone else to take it?

Yes, your neighbor can peek at your traffic if you are browsing using their wifi. It's nearly impossible to see the contents of an https page. Usually your banks and retailers use these to protect the information. Remember, that if you buy Internet service, you need to worry about others that may intercept your traffic - somewhere down the connection pipe.

Frankly, many of my neighbors leave their wifi open so that neighbors CAN use it. It's their way to get back at the provider for the lousy service that they pay for.

Your greatest risk is that the neighbor turns on the wireless privacy and your service will be cutoff. You may want to speak with the neighbor in advance; if you know which neighbor it is. Perhaps $10 of $20 a month would make both of you happy.

CJ

Mark Mc>

It occurs to me that here we are trying to teach ethics to a person that OBVIOUSLY has none! If the OP has no feelings of wrongness, then there is little anyone can do. We COULD of course keep any eye on the news becasue the OP WILL get caught and it WILL be in the paper and on the net! Another analogy is the person that runs into the local store and leaves the keys in the car, is it legal to then take that car? OF COURSE NOT! Well you say the car was not locked and the keys were in it AND it was paid for! DOESN'T matter, it is still STEALING!

Uhm, yes there is a law. Before you shoot off your mouth how it's legal to steal other people's stuff because they didn't secure it...

Check Federal Statute 553.

Unauthorized reception of cable service (a) Unauthorized interception or receipt or assistance in intercepting or receiving service; "assist in intercepting or receiving" defined (1) No person shall intercept or receive or assist in intercepting or receiving any communications service offered over a cable system, unless specifically authorized to do so by a cable operator or as may otherwise be specifically authorized by law.

I would say if your neighbor gets her internet over a cable connection and you are stealing the service, you qualify under this statute since you "receive" a "communications service offered over a cable system" and you are not "authorized to do so by a cable operator".

So Dick Head...who's the tight ass moron now?

If he accidentally dropped even a nickel, it'd be unethical to take it.

Only if he didn't intend it to be taken. But you cannot infer intent from lack of precaution.

While its understandable that people say this, its simply untrue. After all, the intended recpient can see it. So all someone else needs is the same key.

Thats up to them of course, though one might ask whether the lousy service was *because* so many freeloaders were a) using up bandwidth and b) not providing income for the ISP to spend on improvements....

Its also worth checking that they understand the T&C of their ISP regarding sharing the connection. Obviously if they accept a fee from you, they're complicit in any breach of contract whereas if they continue in 'blithe ignorance'...