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Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On 8/7/2018 9:00 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

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LOL
What's the matter Bob??  Don't have memories or nightmares??
I assume it was a little warm out there in the desert?? :-)

Had a upgrade I started last Wednesday.  Started by locating the EOL's
and ID'ing cables.  System installed in 1994 by somebody else.  Was  
hoping to finish by the end of the day. Then I was searching for the EOL  
for the Heat Detector Loop. I checked them all on the main floor.
No EOL??  Then I realized there must be a Heat in the attic.  Found the  
hatch and just stuck my head up to take a peak.  YUP!! there it was  
about 9 feet off the floor.  Temp in attic was easily 95++ deg F.
It was then I decided to go home and cool down.
Went back on Saturday morning at about 8:30am.
First thing was replacing EOL.  The attic temp was about 74 deg F.

Now maybe 20 years ago it might have been different. I know some guys  
just don't sweat regardless of the temp.  Don't know how it is possible
but maybe they are born without sweat glands.

And yes, I know the temps above are frigid for some, but, for me, easily  
reaches my max.  I am sure I have just added some fire to the thread.
No pun intended..................

It is good to know that you survived the day and have returned to ASA.

Stay cool out there!!

Les



Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 8:00:24 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Come to Texas and see what I went through, and Florida

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
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On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 8:00:24 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Come to Texas and see what I went through, and Florida

**********  Just look at the high temps across the country.  Its not usually  
in Texas or Florida.  Now the humidity in those places is killer, but I've  
measured temps in attics here close to 160F.  Yes.  Properly cooked meat  
temperatures.  Yes, actually took a meat thermometer into the attic and left  
it set for a few minutes.  Mine wasn't that bad, but it was hot.  I just  
haven't done it for a while.  I forgot how hot it used to be.  I'm telling  
my wife next time we need to run a new cable for something its going to have  
to wait until January.


Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 12:00:41 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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That's the way it goes for me.

Attics in the summer. Crawl spaces in the winter.

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 11:00:41 AM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
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As bad as Texas attics can be they were nothing compared to Florida houses, low attics and they always had a sunroom with no attic, doors had steel beams above that prevented drilling to the attic, walls of plaster and chicken wire...ugh

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On 8/14/2018 1:02 AM, mleuck wrote:
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And I assume those houses are built on slabs, meaning no  
basement................  right??

In the northeast we also have very old houses.  With full finished
attics, basement ceilings covered with drywall, crawl spaces that have
little or no access with mud and rocks, walls built with REAL 2" x 4"  
studs, fire breaks between the wall framing studs that are never at the  
same level above the floor, full size additions that can't be reached  
without blasting with a "quarter-stick" or two.  Boom!!

Then there is new construction. Always wanted to be the last doing the
rough-in.  Except you find out that the electrician forgot a piece of
romex wire and decided to use your wire holes because it was easier than
drilling new holes.  Or drilled through a stud into your wires, and made  
repairs by twisting the colors together and then taping with his black
tape roll.  Or the Comcast guy that decided to use your pull string for
his single RG6 Quad and didn't bother to put the string back, just left
it on a pile with his cable.  I hope he reads this someday........soon.

Ahhh and so it goes, the trails and tribulations of the low voltage
installer..................

Les







Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona

On 8/14/2018 7:02 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 8:02:07 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
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PLUMBERS!!!!!

I have a dream ???????
?!!!

Now maybe it's just the luck of the draw for me but on more occasions than  
other trades ?? plumbers I find are the MOST inconsiderate.

Got to sweat a joint near the alarm wires??  NO PROBLEM! Just do it. The wi
re insulation wont melt THAT much.

Got to run a pipe through a beam perpendicular to the main alarm wire run i
n the basement. NO PROBLEM! Either stretch the wires out of the way until t
hey break or there's no way to tell if they're broken under the insulation  
or not. Or just cut them, drill your hole and run your pipe.  

"Because pipe is rigid and wire can be spliced a lot easier than rerouting  
pipe."

BUT ?? don't bother telling the GC, builder, homeowner. It  
can wait until the alarm guy comes back to do the final hookup to discover  
that he's got to add a length a wire between the two cut cable ends of 25 w
ires to get around the PVC waste pipe that they forgot to run.

MY Dream ????

I can see myself running a single four wire along a beam in the basement an
d low and behold I come to a 4 inch PVC waste pipe running perpendicular to
 my wire run. So, I get out the ol hack saw, cut out a one foot section of  
the pipe and continue my nice straight wire run.  

YEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!

I just remembered another event that REAAAALLY pissed me off.

Installed an alarm panel on a plywood wall board down in the basement and h
ad system operational. Shortly after the job is completed, I get a service  
call that the alarm system has problems. I go to the job site, down in the  
basement and find that the telephone installation company needed space and  
my alarm panel "was in the way". They had dismounted the panel from the boa
rd and hung it up by the wires on a nail above the wall board and mounted t
he telephone KSU and all the telephone hardware taking up all the space on  
the wall board. I can't tell you how pissed off I was and was just about re
ady to show the business owner what they had done and or call the company b
ut ???? somehow my sinister sense took over
 and I contained my rage. I told the owners that I knew what was wrong and  
would have to schedule more time to correct the  problem. I had to come bac
k to put up a new wall board, extend all the wires going to the panel to re
ach the new panel location. BUT, when I went home that first day, I went do
wn to my grinding wheel and gathered a hand full of metal powder that gets  
captured in the grinding wheel protectors. When I returned to the job I bro
ught the filings. I arranged to work late after the owners left and the las
t thing I did before I left was to blow the iron powder on to the printed c
ircuit boards in the KSU. I never said a word to the owner or anyone about  
what they had done. Even though the business owner had to suffer along with
 them, the Telephone service people spent a small fortune troubleshooting t
hat system for months and ultimately found out(Because I eventually found a
n opportunity to ask the owners) "We got rid of them. We had continuous pro
blems with them so we got someone else."  
 (HE HE HE HEH HEH HEH HEH HA HA HAAH HAAH HAAAaaA) (evil laughter)

YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona

On 8/16/2018 7:54 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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un in the basement. NO PROBLEM! Either stretch the wires out of the way u
ntil they break or there's no way to tell if they're broken under the ins
ulation or not. Or just cut them, drill your hole and run your pipe.
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ing pipe."
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 It can wait until the alarm guy comes back to do the final hookup to dis
cover that he's got to add a length a wire between the two cut cable ends
 of 25 wires to get around the PVC waste pipe that they forgot to run.
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t and low and behold I come to a 4 inch PVC waste pipe running perpendicu
lar to my wire run. So, I get out the ol hack saw, cut out a one foot sec
tion of the pipe and continue my nice straight wire run.
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nd had system operational. Shortly after the job is completed, I get a se
rvice call that the alarm system has problems. I go to the job site, down
 in the basement and find that the telephone installation company needed  
space and my alarm panel "was in the way". They had dismounted the panel  
from the board and hung it up by the wires on a nail above the wall board
 and mounted the telephone KSU and all the telephone hardware taking up a
ll the space on the wall board. I can't tell you how pissed off I was and
 was just about ready to show the business owner what they had done and o
r call the company but ???? somehow my si
nister sense took over and I contained my rage. I told the owners that I  
knew what was wrong and would have to schedule more time to correct the  
problem. I had to come back to put up a new wall board, extend all the wi
res going to the panel to reach the new panel location. BUT, when I went  
home that first day, I went down to my grinding wheel and gathered a hand
 full of metal powder that gets captured in the grinding wheel protectors
. When I returned to the job I brought the filings. I arranged to work  
late after the owners left and the last thing I did before I left was to  
blow the iron powder on to the printed circuit boards in the KSU. I never
 said a word to the owner or anyone about what they had done. Even though
 the business owner had to suffer along with them, the Telephone service  
people spent a small fortune troubleshooting that system for months and u
ltimately found out(Because I eventually found an opportunity to ask the  
owners) "We got rid of them. We had continuous problems with them so we g
ot someone else."
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((( nice touch on the filings) flat soda pop (no co2) can also do  
wonders to electronics..)))

Just remember plumbers have to pass a final inspection..
there's always a chance that a "small hole" might appear in a vent pipe  

that will keep them from getting that "pressure seal" test approved..
Causing them endless hours of checking to fine that leak..
and wouldn't you know it usually turns out to be in the attic under  
insulation or in a wall cavity....

and electricians also have problems with nicks in "L" wires in metal  
J-boxes. or missing wire nuts..

Gremlins can run rampant around unfriendly construction sites...

*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*


Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 11:48:00 PM UTC-4, RTS wrote:

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I mean, I notice that you're not saying that you've actually done anything  
like you describe however, it seems to me that you're being preeeetttty daa
aammmmnnn detailed. Ya know??? ?. like you've REEEEEEaly put a lot  
of thought into it.  
Ya know what I'm sayin??   (wink-wink)

I wouldn't want to pressure you into actually saying that you've done such  
devious acts but ????..  "small hole" "vent
 pipe" "in attic, under insulation" Wow! such detail ???
?? Ya know what I'm sayin ----- right ??

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona

On 8/17/2018 12:04 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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;-)





*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On 8/16/2018 8:54 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
> I just remem
bered another event that REAAAALLY pissed me off.
>  

> Installed an alarm panel on a plywood wall board do

wn in the basement and had system operational. Shortly
 after the job is completed, I get a service call that
 the alarm system has problems. I go to the job site,
down in the basement and find that the telephone insta
llation company needed space and my alarm panel "was i
n the way". They had dismounted the panel from the boa
rd and hung it up by the wires on a nail above the wal
l board and mounted the telephone KSU and all the tele
phone hardware taking up all the space on the wall boa
rd. I can't tell you how pissed off I was and was just
 about ready to show the business owner what they had
done and or call the company but ???? somehow
my sinister sense took over and I contained my rage. I
 told the owners that I knew what was wrong and would
have to schedule more time to correct the  problem. I
had to come back to put up a new wall board, extend al
l the wires going to the panel to reach the new panel
location. BUT, when I went home that first day, I went
 down to my grinding wheel and gathered a hand full of
 metal powder that gets captured in the grinding wheel
 protectors. When I returned to the job I brought the
filings. I arranged to work late after the owners left
 and the last thing I did before I left was to blow th
e iron powder on to the printed circuit boards in the
KSU. I never said a word to the owner or anyone about
what they had done. Even though the business owner had
 to suffer along with them, the Telephone service peop
le spent a small fortune troubleshooting that system f
or months and ultimately found out(Because I eventuall
y found an opportunity to ask the owners) "We got rid
of them. We had continuous problems with them so we go
t someone else."
>   (HE HE HE HEH HEH HEH HEH HA HA
HAAH HAAH HAAAaaA) (evil laughter)
>  
> YEEEEEEEEESS
SSSSSSSSSS!!!!
 
WOW!!  That would be one of those st
ories that I would have kept to
myself.  Although I w
ould not have came up with the grinding powder.
Thank
s for sharing.................. I think.............

 
A number of years ago I did a rough in on job easily
 75 miles out.
The building owner told the GC to gut
out the utility space of any
old "wiring".  So he did
 and cut off my bundle of 26 cables.(2c/4c)
 
Got a c
all from the GC the next day embarrassingly explaining
 what
he had done.  He did not realize until after he
 cut the cables off
at the ceiling that these were "n
ew" cables.  After a few minutes
of me pulling myself
 off the floor and wiping tears from my eyes.
He said
 he would pull all NEW cables for me and remove all th
e
short runs.  When I went back to finish the install
 all was as if it
never happened and was just as I ha
d left weeks before.  Clean and neat.
 
You don't fin
d guys like that too often.  Super special!!
 
Les
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Les
 
 


Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 8:08:03 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
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nd had system operational. Shortly after the job is completed, I get a serv
ice call that the alarm system has problems. I go to the job site, down in  
the basement and find that the telephone installation company needed space  
and my alarm panel "was in the way". They had dismounted the panel from the
 board and hung it up by the wires on a nail above the wall board and mount
ed the telephone KSU and all the telephone hardware taking up all the space
 on the wall board. I can't tell you how pissed off I was and was just abou
t ready to show the business owner what they had done and or call the compa
ny but ???? somehow my sinister sense took  
over and I contained my rage. I told the owners that I knew what was wrong  
and would have to schedule more time to correct the  problem. I had to come
 back to put up a new wall board, extend all the wires going to the panel t
o reach the new panel location. BUT, when I went home that first day, I wen
t down to my grinding wheel and gathered a hand full of metal powder that g
ets captured in the grinding wheel protectors. When I returned to the job I
 brought the filings. I arranged to work late after the owners left and the
 last thing I did before I left was to blow the iron powder on to the print
ed circuit boards in the KSU. I never said a word to the owner or anyone ab
out what they had done. Even though the business owner had to suffer along  
with them, the Telephone service people spent a small fortune troubleshooti
ng that system for months and ultimately found out(Because I eventually fou
nd an opportunity to ask the owners) "We got rid of them. We had continuous
 problems with them so we got someone else."
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Hey, that's not fair.

I can't think of any "nice" stories.

But, ?.. then again,.... I live in New York.

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On 8/17/2018 12:49 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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Come on Jim, New Yorkers have gotta have a nice story  
somewhere...............

Maybe a customer that paid for the whole job up front in cash??

Or how about, I went to a house that had a 36" crawl space that had
concrete from wall to wall easily 40' x 30'.  With a very smooth finish.
Even had a center drain that the concrete was sloped towards.
Had to go in to spice some wires up between the floor joist.
Right there beside the hatch was a new Mechanics Floor Creeper.

Yee haw!!!!  Well that made my day!!

Les



Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:18:42 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
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Damn!

Jealousy is a cruel affliction. I never have such luck.

Generally speaking, most New Yorkers are pretty nice ?. particularl
y in the suburban areas. It's just that we don't take any crap from anyone  
and likely have a short fuse.  

My son describes me as:

You're a nice guy
You're a nice guy
You;re a nice guy
You're a nice guy

Then you're not.
.
But anyway, speaking of crawl spaces ?.
Reminds me ?.. Years (and years)  ago, one of my customers mother,  
(who was not my customer), and who had an unmonitored alarm system had a pr
oblem with her system. My customer asked if I could take a look at it. Her  
house was on a canal and had a crawl space because of the proximity to the  
canal. When I got there I noticed that the house had a "smell" to it that I
 just attributed to cooking or whatever but it didn't have significance to  
me until later.
.
Trouble shooting indicated that there was an open in one zone. After checki
ng all the contacts I concluded that it was probably from a rodent chewing  
on the wires in the crawl space. After searching for the key to the lock on
 the outside Bilko crawl space doors, I opened it, probably for the first t
ime in years. The crawl was about 4 feet high, (more than enough room ) but
 ??. the dirt floor was a complete solid sheet of jelly lik
e fungus (I guess ?) about an inch or two thick.  
.
Being pretty young at the time I got my knee pads on and "waded" in. Found  
and repaired the chewed wire. I had to hose my self off and clean myself up
 with rags before I left and then had to go home to shower.  
.
I gotta tell ya, I could smell that S*@%t for WEEKS afterwards. I told her  
son about the problem but I don't know if they ever did anything about it.
  
.
Probably made a fortune selling it to a laboratory to make penicillin or so
mething.

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On 8/18/2018 2:58 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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Now you see Jim, you are a nice guy.  You crawled into that muck and
slop and did a nice thing for a little old lady.  :-)

BTW this is fun!!

Reminds me of a crawl space where I was installing stereo speakers in
walls.  The customer wanted the speakers about receptacle height through  
out in a very old house. On the East Wing I cut out plaster and wire  
mesh for the speaker and drilled my 3/4" hole down to the crawl space.  
Inserted the wire enough that it was just dangling.  Went down to the
basement and went to the hatch.  Used my flashlight and looked back
about 25' or so and could see the wire hanging there. Yea!!

I got into the crawl space (just dirt) and started to crawl my way back
to the wire.  After about 15' or so I noticed that the bottom of the
floor joist were rubbing my back.  I had to lay down and slither like a  
snake.  Another 6'-7' I could barely move.  I was in wedge.  The dirt
was rising.  I had a another 2' or 3' to go in order to just touch
the wire.  I reached my arm out as much as I could and continued to
slither.  Finally got the tip of my finger on the wire.  Just a little
more.............. Had to take a breather.  That is when I realized that
if I got wedged that tight and could not get out, nobody would know
where I was since I was the only one in the house at the time. And
that they would not find me until I started to STINK!!  Oh, and cell
phones did not exist as yet, so calling for help would never happen.

I considered stopping at point and maybe come up with a plan "B".
But, I was soooooo close.  I wiggled a little more and finally got my
finger and thumb on the wire.  I then inched (1/4") at a time pulling
the wire down until I had enough that I could grab hold in my hand.
Then I had to reverse inch myself back out and pulling the wire.  It  
took me all but an hour from then time I went in until I got back out.  
I was a very happy guy at that time!!!  Sat on the basement steps for a  
while trying to relax.  It was T&M job so all was good.

Today, if I had to do it again I would use my R/C Truck to retrieve the  
wire with a hook.  Would be done in about 3 minutes.

Thanks Bob for starting this thread.  Good job!!  I guess it was good  
you sweated you ass off in your attic and decided to share.  :-)

Looking forward to the next installment to this thread.

Les


Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 3:49:33 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
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larly in the suburban areas. It's just that we don't take any crap from any
one and likely have a short fuse.
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er, (who was not my customer), and who had an unmonitored alarm system had  
a problem with her system. My customer asked if I could take a look at it.  
Her house was on a canal and had a crawl space because of the proximity to  
the canal. When I got there I noticed that the house had a "smell" to it th
at I just attributed to cooking or whatever but it didn't have significance
 to me until later.
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ecking all the contacts I concluded that it was probably from a rodent chew
ing on the wires in the crawl space. After searching for the key to the loc
k on the outside Bilko crawl space doors, I opened it, probably for the fir
st time in years. The crawl was about 4 feet high, (more than enough room )
 but ??. the dirt floor was a complete solid sheet of jelly
 like fungus (I guess ?) about an inch or two thick.
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und and repaired the chewed wire. I had to hose my self off and clean mysel
f up with rags before I left and then had to go home to shower.
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her son about the problem but I don't know if they ever did anything about  
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Yeah I can see how that view of the crawl space would be deceiving. Like on
e of those "crazy houses" where things look bigger at one end and smaller a
t the other.

In my "thinner" years I was in some pretty tight places like that but nothi
ng that tapered smaller.  

Ran into a racoon once. No story to it because I didn't stay that long. Ama
zing how fast you can climb down a ladder when you're really motivated. Jus
t told the owner to get rid of it before I could continue the job and his r
esponse was  
Oh, is THAT what's been making that noise up there"   Duuuuuh.  

Bee's are another story. Been chased a number of times by bees.  
.
Had a trainee with me one time and we had to check out a bell in an old Ade
mco 1011 bell box. I told the kid to bang on the box before he tried to ope
n it in case there were any bees in it. So he gets up on the ladder, taps o
n the bell box a couple of times and immediately starts unscrewing the cove
r that only had one screw in it. Well, if he would have waited a minute or  
so he wouldn't have had to jump the 10 off the ladder when the bees finally
 got it together to swarm. Lucky for both of us he didn't break a leg. Look
 of terror on his face.
Thought his eyes were going to pop out of his head.
.

I was far enough into my experience then that I had wasp killer spray in th
e van to take care of it.
.
I'm thinking that he probably knocks on every door before he opens it for t
he rest of his life.

Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On 8/18/2018 12:49 PM, ABLE1 wrote:



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Well, you got into the scary things already.  I was always worried I'd  
run up against a rattler in close quarters crawling under a mobile home,  
but the closest I got was under a mobile office building.  I scuttled up  
under to grab a wire dropped down through the floor, and after getting  
ahold of it I turned my head to look back the way I came and found I was  
nose to eyeballs with a giant mouth full of teeth.  Turned out to be a  
dead coyote.  He (or she I guess) had died under there many years gone  
by.  Not much left but a skull and lots and lots of teeth.  At half a  
foot from my face it was pretty scary though.  When I got back topside  
the folks in the office asked me, "What was that thump?"  LOL.








Re: Up in An Attic In August in Yuma Arizona
On 8/22/2018 9:27 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Bob,

LOL  I can visualize the goose egg on your head.........
Should have got the sucker mounted with plaque that said
something like:  "You should have seen the other guy!!!"





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