Mike,
Is there any Honeywell GSM product that will be taking the place of the
7830R radios???Regards, Russ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Seccon1" Newsgroups: alt.security.alarms Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: AlarmNet reliability how can it go down with no notice?
I do not agree with everything stated here on this subject although, I do
>find the information on this NG informative.
>
> We do much of what was said we should do. The GSM unit polls from the
> protected premise to the base station LAC.Your alarm Company sets the GSM
> Fault time in your unit. The default is 10 Minutes. When the local tower
> is lost the unit searches repeatedly and when the programmed fault time
> expires the GSM can Notify the control and "Can" even activate an output
> for local panel initiation if connected. If your panel did not indicate a
> "Fail to communicate" then this option is turned off. That is not our
> part, that is up to the installing company.
>
> Your security company also sets the frequency of the test reports to the
> Central Station, either Daily or Monthly. Daily cost you more naturally.
> While there are standards such as UL 1023 and UL 985 for the listing of
> the equipment installed in households, the security level for residences
> typically does not meet "AA" Line security (unless requested and paid
> dearly for). NFPA 72 2007 Chapter 11 specifies that a 24 hour test report
> is the minimum requirement for household Fire! If a fire alarm in a
> residence is required only daily testing then it is unlikely that that a
> non-Life safety system will require a higher level of communication > supervision.
> The new NFPA standards 730/731 may have additional information but they
> are not widely enforced.
>
> When we take down all or any portion of the network we notify all parties
> that have signed up for the notification service. Consult your security > company.
>
> I understand the emphasis that some respondents in this NG placed of the
> standard phone line, however the current structure of the Bell Operating
> Companies is such that left in its current state, the demise of POTS is
> imminent. It may take a while, but the moment that the VOIP ISP's and
> cable companies won the ruling preventing federal regulation of the
> service then even the nation's existing BOC's applied to offer VOIP. >
> POTS has served us well but if we are truly honest, there are similar
> issues that have existed even by the tried and true Public Switched
> Telephone Network. Examples:
>
> 1. Are you enabling or providing Telephone Line Monitoring for the rare
> times that your phone line fails? When it fails, besides the local
> annunciation, who knows? POTS is passive polling also, not Active polling. >
> 2. Is your POTs Line correctly wired for Line Seizure? If not an
> off-hook phone stops communication or at least slows it down assuming the
> panel has anti-jam. (Yea, I know, everyone here does it right but it may
> supprise you how many T tap the connection).
>
> 3. How often are you setting the residential Dact to test?, daily is
> not the norm. usually monthly.
>
> 4. A UL listed central station is supposed to rotate receivers and test
> the UPS backup on the receivers monthly. What if your signal comes in
> during that test.
>
> 5. If your CS is using a Call Forwarded receiver line then the security
> company is suppose to test that incoming line every 4 hours. Was your
> alarm company bought by a large National company and the receiver that
> your system is programmed into was forwarded to the "Mega Center" Did they
> set up the test?
>
> 6. What did the Install Companies do when they found that the 1400Hz
> Handshake tone was being used by Ma Bell and a misdirected call could be
> ackwoleged and kissed off by a switch error at the CO? (There are a few in
> this NG old enough to remember this)
>
> These are only a few possibilities.
>
> Your stats aren't exactly right either, this past year we have averaged as
> many as 30,000, GSM units a month. Your Data packet estimates are under > rated.
>
> Your installation company central station can pull your stats for the last
> 90 days online including outages, radio field strength, unit power
> performance and reports.
>
> If your unit is going through AlarmNet your security company can provide
> other services, an I-GSM can provide an Internet Path as well as GPRS/SMS,
> and you also may want to add "Total Connect" services for remote SMS
> control and event notification. Some large national companies do not offer
> the service yet. They have the capability in the units, they just do not
> have a market plan yet.
>
> The "I" units can actually provide 90 second pings allowing 5 minute
> supervision including Blowfish 1024 or AES 256 encryption typically used
> in Military, DHS and other Gov. applications. But your CS would charge you
> an arm and legg to do this.
>
> I disagree with some of the other respondents in that we honestly do not
> know or have not known exactly how reliable or unreliable POTs is or has
> been. There are many recorded "Fail to Communicate" events in industry
> history that could not be explained. Please don't think that I believe
> that GSM is perfect, I am a realist. I also disagree with the thought that
> POTS needs to be the primary. I use the I-GSM at home. The 7845GSMCF is
> Listed as the Secondary Path. The I-GSMCF is listed as Network (NFPA 72
> chapter 8) stand alone communication for UL 864Fire.
>
> everyone, I appreciate your input.
>
> Mike McGinnis
> Honeywell