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Napco MA-3000 Fire Bell Trouble warning upon power-up.

Upon power-up I get a system trouble of "Fire Bell trouble". I believe the system checks for a wired sounder device for fire alarm upon powering up... I guess it warns of a short or open in this circuit.

QUESTIONS:

Does that mean it's looking for a bell / siren driver board at the 6 (common) and 7 (N/C) or 8 (N/O) terminal ? which is the FIRE RELAY

Can this be by-passed if there is no sounding device set-up. Could this be crossed with a 2.2K EOL resistor to avoid this System Trouble warning. The system only need to monitor the perimeter of a construction site and has no fire detection yet.

I tried connecting a siren driver board (without the speaker attached). After connecting it to term# 6 and 7, then #6 and 8, I still get the warning message .

Also what exactly is this system expecting on those terminals? a siren?, a driver board? , a horn? (does the speaker have to be connected to a S/D board ---I'm trying to avoid a false alarm while finishing the installation so I removed the speaker.

[newbie question]-- N/O vs. N/C for that connection, which to use. and "cut jumper for dry contact" vs. leaving it intact.

Unfortunately the installation manual does not go into basic details that installers already know...

Thanks-In-Advance....Any suggestions are most appreciated

PS: if there are other newsgroups that answer these types of questions, please let me know the Alt.security DIY group had so few postings I thought I check with the pros.

Reply to
homeautomashun
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Without the jumper cut the realy is "wet" --it actually supplies voltage--it is really more of an "output" than a relay, like you are thinking of it. Yes, put a 2.2k reisitor across 6 & 8 and that error should clear. If you decide to connect something to it, use something that just wants straight voltage (something with an internal driver).

The ma3000 was Napco's answer to the combo fire/burg systems on the market; it may be a bit of an overkill for what your using it for.

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jewellfish

I did try a 2.2K resistor across those terminals (Fire Relay common #6 and N/O #8) earlier on when I was trying several configs to eliminate the "Fire Bell Trouble" warning. It did not make a difference. I still get the warning.

Jumper is not yet cut---so the system will send 24VDC thru those terminals upon a fire alarm? If there is a siren driver and speaker connected (I have an Ademco #744 with an Emer Prod Corp # 60-20, 8 ohms-20 watt "Siren Less Driver") shouldn't that satisfy the system's need for resistence across those terminals since a resistor wouldn't. Incidentially is that EPC device ( labeled "Siren Less Driver" ) actually a siren and not a speaker?... I guess I'm still trying to understand the relationship between a siren driver board (i.e. the Ademco #744) and the device that looks like a speaker. (would the EPC device work without the Ademco cir-board?-- I'm checking the net for specs on that device to see if it can)

THANKS again for the advice, any follow-up or further suggestions would be helpful.

Reply to
homeautomashun

Power down the system and upon powering up make sure to program "Go ahead make my day" to display on the keypads.

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Reply to
Everywhere Man

Strap the resistor across the terminals as described in earlier posts, wait a minute or two, then hit the "Reset" button on the keypad..... It should clear........... Regards, Russ

Reply to
Russell Brill

Better yet, use seventeen on-board relays to make the damn thing dial out on the second phone line. Se sure to short the primary line!

-G

Reply to
G. Morgan

He'll just say he never meant that it would display it all at the same time

Reply to
Mark Leuck

On separate partitions then?? :-)

Reply to
Frank Olson

The system requires you to reset the trouble condition even after it is fixed. That is to make sure the user is aware of any troubles, even transient ones, that may occur. With the EOL resistor in place, display the specific trouble message on the keypad and press [RESET]. All should be well.

Regards, Robert L Bass

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robertlbass

One day at a time!

Reply to
Bob Worthy

Thanks All for your suggestions...

As it turned out the wrong default program was loaded. The install manual suggests loading from address 3072, then at the top of pg.11 (for those who are following along at home) it states:

"12. ...the panel is now programmed with the burglary default program and the system trouble 'NO PANEL PROGRAM' should be cleared."

the reality is that address 3072 loads the *fire* default program. (3071 loads the burg default). This typo appears in the WI588A 7/93 that came with the board (new 2 weeks ago). I figured this out when refering to the WI785B 10/96, which correctly mentions loading from address 3071... prob solved no more a Fire Bell System Trouble.

...so I guess it was a case of installer error (my error) ... and I guess Napco Panels aren't as difficult to program as people say... (actually they still are!!!)

Anyway thanks again for your replies

Reply to
homeautomashun

No- they're difficult for those who don't understand programming them.

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secure15

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