Is it worth $15 to go to premiere package from COX - 4000/512 ---> 5000/768 ?

maybe a little

Then why do you have it?

Well they certainly got you didn't they?

I'd gladly pay $15 more a month if I could get a guaranteed *minimum* speed (CIR), like with DSL. Heck, I'd even drop down in speed again, if I could get 1500-3000/256-256 instead of 0-4000/0-512, as it is now.

Regards,

}Lonnie wrote: }> I have the premiere package from COX, 5000/768. It is everything they said it would be. }> It's fast BUT is it really worth? I thought about it and I do not reallty think it is }> worth $14.99 for a 1000/256 in speed. Will it really make that much of a difference in }> Internet travels? Not really. I think COX should bump it up to 6000/1000 or maybe a little }> more and then I wouldn't think twice about it. } }Then why do you have it?

because they are letting people try it out for free for 3 months. I should have specified that in my post,sorry. } }> The regular package is 4000/512 and the premiere is 5000/768. What do you think? I think }> COX is not going to get much people to get the premiere package upgrade ofr $14.99. }> There's not much of incentive for what you pay. } }Well they certainly got you didn't they?

Duh...it's an increase of 1000 *from* 4000 *to* 5000. 1000 is

25% of 4000, so it is an *increase* of 25%. If it were a *decrease* of 1000 from 5000 to 4000, it would be a *decrease* of 20%. Yes... a 25% increase from 4000 is the same amount as a 20% decrease from 5000.

As above, an *increase* of 256 from 512 *to* 768 is an *increase* of 50% (256 is 50% of 512.) A *decrease* of 256 from 768 *to* 512 is a *decrease* of 33.3% (256 is 33.3% of 768.) Yes, 50% of 512 is the same amount as 33.3% of 768.

Remember, it is an increase or decrease from a *starting value*.

[Math class is now excused.]

}On,Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:00:16 GMT,MarkT wrote in }news:Xns955BCB833FC70markalso@68.6.19.6: } }> The 5000kbps represents a 25% increase in download speed, and }> 756 is a ~48% increase in the upload speed.

actually it's omly 20% increase 4 dl and only 34% increase 4 ul

4000/5000 .80 = 20% & 512/768 .666 = 34% } }I _hate_ replying to my own posts ... but I also hate posting }incorrect information. The above sentence _should_ have been: } }The 5000kbps represents a 25% increase in download speed, and the }768kbps is a 50% increase in the upload speed. } }Sheesh!!! Anyone seen my brain lately? :-)

it would be.

difference in

Yes ;-)

You flunked at maths in school, I hope[1].

What you've just shown is that it would be a 20% *decrease* to go from 5000 to 4000, and a 33 1/3% (which, by the way, rounds to 33%, not 34%)

*decrease* to go from 768 to 512.

(5000/4000-1)*100% = 25%, or in baby talk: A quarter of my current 4000 kbps download speed is 1000 kbps. A quarter of anything is 25%. Thus, if I increase my download speed by 1000 kbps, I increase it by 25%.

(768/512-1)*100% = 50%, or in baby talk: A half of my current 512 kbps upload speed is 256 kbps. A half of anything is 50%. Thus, if I increase my upload speed by 256 kbps, I increase it by

50%. [1]: Otherwise, our school system is even more f***ed up than I thought.

MarkT --

Lonnie :

The magic of viewpoint. 5000 is 25% more than 4000, but 4000 is only 20% less than 5000. It depends on which end of the range you take as the basis for calculation.

On,Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:27:32 GMT,Lonnie wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

[some snippery to the point of the reply]

It depends on what one does on the Internet. The 5000kbps represents a 25% increase in download speed, and 756 is a ~48% increase in the upload speed. For heavy downloaders and gamers, those are significant increases for what amounts to 50 cents per day. If all one does is surf the web, read/send e-mail, IM, limited NG activity, etc., then it's probably not worth it (IMHO).

At least in my area (maybe all areas), Cox offered the Premier package for the same price as the Premium package for 3 months, after which the sub could switch back if they desired (at no cost). I suspect that quite a few of those who took that offer won't downgrade at the end of the promotional period.

On,Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:00:16 GMT,MarkT wrote in news:Xns955BCB833FC70markalso@68.6.19.6:

I _hate_ replying to my own posts ... but I also hate posting incorrect information. The above sentence _should_ have been:

The 5000kbps represents a 25% increase in download speed, and the

768kbps is a 50% increase in the upload speed.

Sheesh!!! Anyone seen my brain lately? :-)

}Lonnie wrote: } }> }> The 5000kbps represents a 25% increase in download speed, and }> }> 756 is a ~48% increase in the upload speed. }> }> actually it's omly 20% increase 4 dl and only 34% increase 4 ul }> }> 4000/5000 .80 = 20% } }Duh...it's an increase of 1000 *from* 4000 *to* 5000. 1000 is }25% of 4000, so it is an *increase* of 25%. If it were a *decrease* }of 1000 from 5000 to 4000, it would be a *decrease* of 20%. Yes... }a 25% increase from 4000 is the same amount as a 20% decrease from }5000.

and 100 is 20% of 5000

} }> & 512/768 .666 = 34% } }As above, an *increase* of 256 from 512 *to* 768 is an *increase* }of 50% (256 is 50% of 512.) A *decrease* of 256 from 768 *to* 512 }is a *decrease* of 33.3% (256 is 33.3% of 768.) Yes, 50% of 512 is }the same amount as 33.3% of 768.

same as above

} }Remember, it is an increase or decrease from a *starting value*. } }[Math class is now excused.]

}On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:14:09 -0700, ric wrote: } }}Lonnie wrote: }} }}> }> The 5000kbps represents a 25% increase in download speed, and }}> }> 756 is a ~48% increase in the upload speed. }}> }}> actually it's omly 20% increase 4 dl and only 34% increase 4 ul }}> }}> 4000/5000 .80 = 20% }} }}Duh...it's an increase of 1000 *from* 4000 *to* 5000. 1000 is }}25% of 4000, so it is an *increase* of 25%. If it were a *decrease* }}of 1000 from 5000 to 4000, it would be a *decrease* of 20%. Yes... }}a 25% increase from 4000 is the same amount as a 20% decrease from }}5000. } }and 100 is 20% of 5000

I meant to say 1000 is 20% of 5000

U see my meaning. Don't be so busy looking at the pubic hairs that you don't see the vagina.

the $15 increase is not worth the higher speed in my opinion. That's the meat of the thread. } }} }}> & 512/768 .666 = 34% }} }}As above, an *increase* of 256 from 512 *to* 768 is an *increase* }}of 50% (256 is 50% of 512.) A *decrease* of 256 from 768 *to* 512 }}is a *decrease* of 33.3% (256 is 33.3% of 768.) Yes, 50% of 512 is }}the same amount as 33.3% of 768. } }same as above } }} }}Remember, it is an increase or decrease from a *starting value*. }} }}[Math class is now excused.]

How about you lending me 5000 bucks at your 20% interest rate?

(If I were you, I'd stop commenting more on anything that has remotely to do with maths or percentages. I'm sure you're good at something, but maths ain't it.)

Yes, but 4000 x 25% = 1000, and 4000 + 1000 = 5000. Therefore 5000 is a 25% increase over 4000.

And 512 x 50% = 256, and 512 + 256 = 768. Therefore 768 is a 50% increase over 512.

Going from 5000 to 4000 is a 20% cut in speed, and going from 768 to 51 is a 33.3% decrease in speed, but increasing from 4000 to 5000 is a 25% increase in speed, and from 512 to 768 is a 50% increase.

You want to have fun with this? Tell your you want a 10% pay increase this week, but you'll be willing to take a 10% cut next week. Sounds like a wash, doesn't it? Well, let's say you make $10/hour now. A 10% raise gives you a new wage of $11/hour. Now take your 10% pay cut. 10% of $11 is $1.10. Your new rate of pay is $9.90/hour. If you work 40 hours the week you're making $11/hour, if you leave before you've stayed another 10 weeks, you'll come out ahead. (Of course if you stay longer than 10 weeks, you'll start loosing money.)

Aren't percentages fun? They make it even easier to lie with statistics because they seem to add context. But if you don't know what that context is, you're no better off than with raw numbers.

On,Mon, 06 Sep 2004 02:20:18 GMT,mimsy wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

I had a feeling that this argument would follow, and considered explaining it. But when I specifically stated /increase/ (and not decrease)in the numbers, I thought that was sufficient. Guess that I was wrong.

Sigh. the INCREASE from 4000 to 5000 is 1000, which is 25% of 4000. A 25% increase Similar method for 512 to 768. You are calculating the increase to the wrong base.

You are trying to rationalize poor math. The value of the speed increase may or may not be of significant value to you. For my, a 50% increase in upstream speed would probably be worth a 25% increase in the monthly charge. For those who upload very little, it probably would not be a good price structure. Much depends on one's use of the internet. For someone who checks email, pays a few bills online, checks the weather, and does some Googling, even dialup is adequate.

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, Lonnie on Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:59:14 -0400 spoke:

Sure, if you do the numbers BACKWARD!

}Lonnie wrote: }>

}> and 100 is 20% of 5000 } }How about you lending me 5000 bucks at your 20% interest rate? } }(If I were you, I'd stop commenting more on anything that has remotely to do }with maths or percentages. I'm sure you're good at something, but maths }ain't it.)

neither is your English