DSL?

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "David H. Lipman" on Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:41:45 GMT spoke:

You HAVE a giganet connection to the Net??

Who offers it, and at what price?

Hmm, I don't live in Japan, so that's irrelevant.

"much faster"

Wrong again.

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "Warren" on Sun,

RoadRunner business class, for one.

Cars don't travel 150MPH on the highway so "your" whole argument was irrelevant.

Dave

Gee that means the WinXP SP2 admin. EXE is downloaded in like a little more than

Dave

| On Rogers "Extreme" service, I get 5 Mb down/800K up. A few days ago, I was | able to download a 102 MB file in just over 2 minutes!

What is available in your area is most important. I'd suggest going to this link below, putting in all or part of your zip code, and see what customers are getting from various ISPs using some well-known speed test sites.

Individually, the test data is suspect, but when you get enough samples, it gives you a pretty good idea.

You can easily identify the largest providers, as the number of speed tests (this week) in the 2nd column will be 3 digits.

David Knight

Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. Much depends on what is offered by your local cable company and how far you are from the local DSL office (or DSLAM). There really is no answer that can apply over a large area.

Not blasphemy, just not true. The speed of DSL depends on many factors, not the least of which is your physical location. In my area, DSL goes at 0kbps. Cable at up to 3mbps. Not much contest. Either can be faster than the other depending on local conditions.

They DO in Europe!

About 30$ per month for the leased line. Traffic is a bit special, it is routed directly to some private rack-space at an inet-exchange so it is basically free, unless it forces us into the next higher traffic class which then would cost more than 300$/month extra that the rack-space doesn't already cost today.

But that place as a hosting environment "produces" mainly upstream, which means that downstream on the line is basically free but upstream must be monitored and limited during high-peak usage to prevent us from falling into the next higher traffic class.

The expensive part is the setup. It's well over 1000$. The end devices are a quite bit more expensive than your standard netgear or whatever too.

country is switzerland.

No provider really, it's a leased line with leased line technology. But the ISP where the line terminates is the very same that we buy the rack-space upstream so that's fortunate. The whole thing is not an end-user solution and probably never will be.

CU

René

The years I had ADSL, I never saw a slowdown. Not Once. -Dave

Be aware that Earthlink probably sells faster service on that same line for less money. Other companies might offer better deals, as well. If you want DSL, you do not need to buy it from the phone company. -Dave

Here, for an example:

Yeah, it's not in the US and they only serve a very small part of Switzerland, but they offer it and they deliver what they offer. Note that these are the business packages, the private ones are here and go up to

But it exists, apparently.

The big point is that those speeds are not dependent on local loop length as xDSL is. The disadvantage is well known too, if the local shared part is oversubscribed, the speed is not available all the time.

CU

René

Given the highly variable nature of traffic on the internet, how could you tell?

What's interesting, is that you only get that, if you buy your own modem. If you use the cable company's modem, you only get 3 Mb/384 Kb, but pay the same monthly rate. I bought a Motorola SB5100 for $80 from them.

Given that I run Linux, I don't worry about that one. ;-)

Not to mention, some ISPs offer multiple service levels. For example my ISP has four speeds available, ranging from 64 Kb up and down, to 6 Mb down &

A few months ago my ISP raised the uplink to 256kbps. Just this month it was raised again; to 384kbps. Same price over that period; lower than when I started.

Earthlink is a "3rd party" ISP & so the phone co will charge an extra $20 for using a 3rd party isp service. Earthlink still have to go thru the local phone co for connection to my apt.

Well the fact that I never NOTICED it slow down should be enough to tell most people that ADSL is pretty reliable.

In contrast, I NOTICE my cable modem connection slow down at least once a day, usually around 8PM (ish). During this time, ALL web pages load slower and download speeds are cut, at least in half.

While I had ADSL (for years), I never noticed anything like that. Oh, and my download speeds with ADSL were faster than cable modem, too. This is in spite of the fact that my cable modem is (theoretically) twice as fast downstream.

For the disclaimer . . . my line conditions were PERFECT for DSL use. Clean lines, very close to the CO, etc. But ADSL has the potential to be both faster and more reliable than cable modem.

Now I know someone's gonna ask, so I'll answer it now . . . I'd gladly go back to ADSL, but then I'd have to pay for a land-line that is ONLY used for ADSL. We don't use a land-line at all, currently. -Dave