NY Times reports on a new "Brazen Attempts by Hotels to Block Wi-Fi"

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Just months after the FCC fined Marriott for jamming WiFi & MiFi
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf

The hotel industry petitioned the FCC for the ability to legally
block personal WiFi/MiFi hotspots, as reported in the NY Times.

Brazen Attempts by Hotels to Block Wi-Fi
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/opinion/sunday/brazen-attempts-by-hotels-to-block-wi-fi.html?_r=0

Re: NY Times reports on a new "Brazen Attempts by Hotels to Block Wi-Fi"
On 1/8/2015 1:58 PM, Whitney Ryan wrote:
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Too bad people don't check into a few of these sites and then report the  
interference to the FCC's complaint line.

Movie theaters get sued by the Feds for blocking cell phone access so  
why not hotels.

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because movie theaters use active jammers which are illegal and hotels
are using a 'feature' of wifi which is technically legal, although it's
being used for questionable reasons (it's not 'security').

Re: NY Times reports on a new "Brazen Attempts by Hotels to Block Wi-Fi"
On 1/9/2015 12:04 PM, nospam wrote:
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True about the jammers nospam.  Been there and used to own one that fit  
into my pocket.  Still, it was fun while I had it...

I would not want the Feds to do anything that might stop a mini-monopoly  
or blackmail scheme from getting started. (We are holding the internet  
hostage, pay our demands or hit the street)

Wonder how long until the Hotel owners find a way to add a surcharge or  
"tax" to the bill for this "feature", since the hotel now has to work  
harder to piss off the customers.

Re: NY Times reports on a new "Brazen Attempts by Hotels to Block Wi-Fi"
nospam wrote, on Fri, 09 Jan 2015 13:04:31 -0500:

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I asked a friend who works at Google HOW they do it it, and
he said that the "jamming" hardware acts just like the WiFi SSID  
that you are connecting to, but then their "jammer" sends what he  
called a "deauthentication" packet.

He said it simply tells your equipment to disconnect.

The way he explained it (if I understood it correctly) was that
Google impersonates any WiFi SSID it finds that is not theirs,  
and Google constantly sends those 'disconnect' commands as that
SSID. This stops you from connecting to any SSID that they see.

He said that they have to have equipment in the ceiling everywhere
in order to be close enough to detect your SSID though, and he
said he once walked all around the place to find one, with a router
in his hand, with a long extension cord, just to see how it  
got disconnected.

The caveat is that I may not have fully understood him, as he  
is geeky as can be (phD and all that).

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basically yes.  

it's a 'feature' of wifi, but it's being used for something other than
what it was intended.  

the claim is security, but that's bullshit.  

hotels charge hundreds of dollars per *day* to business customers who
are using the conference rooms and doesn't want anyone to bring their
own wifi, which is often better than the crap the hotel has.

Re: NY Times reports on a new "Brazen Attempts by Hotels to Block Wi-Fi"
On 09/01/2015 20:20, nospam wrote:
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This.

If hotels or conferences were capable of providing even a remotely  
usable WiFi service for a reasonable cost then everyone would use it.  
However, they think because they have a captured audience they are  
allowed to charge eye-gauging amounts for a 1990's internet experience.

The FCC should laugh in the hotels' faces and let market forces do their  
bit.


Re: NY Times reports on a new "Brazen Attempts by Hotels to Block Wi-Fi"
On 1/12/2015 7:53 AM, chris wrote:
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I can just see myself in a hotel conference room or sitting outside the  
door, with a battery powered router broadcasting deauthentication  
packets on the same SSID as the hotel.

Add a few more like minded people with similar hardware and we could  
even start a Denial-of-Service attack in the offending hotel, as far as  
wireless is concerned.

Then again I was more active in my younger days...

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Per Whitney Ryan:
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I guess that's what would keep contrarians from setting up their own
equipment to do the same thing to the hotel's service...
--  
Pete Cresswell

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 guess that fiasco has come to an end.
<http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30827706


--  
Regards,

Savageduck


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"Marriott would neither confirm nor deny that it is investigating  
turning each of its properties into Faraday cages."

--  
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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Bit of an expensive proposition, for the return it is trying to
protect.

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