Hot-insert PCMCIA cards / change MAC-ID on older Thinkpads?

Also thin clients, which are widely used as POS terminals. I was pleased to see one of the ones that I did a large part of the design for in use at Costco recently.

The power function is actually very complex on these, as you need to return to the previous state in case of a power outage, you can't just automatically power on when power returns, either locally or by WOL.

These devices all boot from net, but don't use wake-on-lan. They come out of S5 (or S4, S3, S2, or S1) the old-fashioned way, by the local user pushing a button or hitting a key. There is no network administrator to remotely power up a POS terminal when the cashier opens up a register, and no need to power it up remotely since no data is stored locally.

By now I think he does understand what we're talking about, but he doesn't want to admit his mistake.

No it didn't! Please ask the folks at IBM (who charges you $2500 for a course to tell you otherwise) or Google it.

No they didn't! I still have documentation from '99 and they were still called PCMCIA cards.

Yes and a silly name at best.

No! No organization should be allowed to dictate the will of the many. Mark Twain once said: "The public is the only critic whose opinion is worth anything at all." -- Mark Twain (1870). So get with the program Barry and join us public people. ;)

According to the PCMCIA organization it is called obsolete. Pure rubbish and nonsense. Just as bad as IBM trying to set standards. And PCMCIA ripped their standards from the Japanese JEIDA standards. Apparently they don't want you to know this and have created ExpressCard to hide the truth and wants to sweep the PC Card thing under the rug. That is okay, those who wants to remain clueless will never be the wiser. :)

P.S. And when are you going to learn that top posting is wrong Barry? ;)

workstation/dumb

POS technology is a booming field right now. The complexity of the devices and their networks are really growing.

Are you calling "s5,s4, etc" power switches?

You look it up.

They were indeed once called PC cards, but the name was changed sometime in the mid 1990's.

BillW50 wrote:

ACPI power states.

So have I! I was working on the VTAS computer (which got man to the moon while Bill Gates was playing with Basic). And you should know better than top posting! As for looking it up see:

Barry, Barry, Barry! Why don't you ever address the meat of discussion? See above. :(

OK, now that makes more sense to me Thanks

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:36:52 -0500, "BillW50" wrote in :

See Wikipedia for a more objective summary of the history and the proper terms.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:04:24 -0800, "Dana" wrote in :

Better thin clients and POS devices (other than the ones at Steve's local Costco) are in fact capable of auto-power on recovery and/or WOL.

You don't know yet you presume to weigh in? :)

Those are ACPI Sleeping States, technical fluff to cover his gaffe on RIPL, not to mention inaccurate, and irrelevant to the issue at hand (i.e., red herring). ACPI specs are freely available at .

WOL also works with earlier APM (spec freely available at ), not just ACPI, or without either standard given appropriate system design.

Oh my gosh, john is a freaking know it all, who really knows nothing.

No, john, I asked a question, unlike you, I do not presume to know everything. Like how you were trying to say MAC addresses come from ARP, which is what first bought you to my attention. Seems all you know is the acronyms, but have very little knowledge beyond knowing the definition. And you still display your ignorance on what these two were talking about.

Yes he already answered, so there was no need for you to butt in with your two cents.

You mean where you were busted for not knowing what these guys were talking about.

They were not talking about WOL.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:52:28 -0800, "Dana" wrote in :

In fact your MAC address does come from ARP from the standpoint of the sender of traffic to your network node, which is what I was saying. Sorry for not being sufficiently unambiguous to suit you. Did you really think I was saying a NIC gets its MAC address from ARP? :)

Whatever you say.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:55:10 -0800, "Dana" wrote in :

Sure there was, just as in your case, even had I seen his response, which I hadn't.

Whatever you say.

They don't know what they're talking about.

LOL, the thin clients I referred to at Costco are actually the second most popular thin clients, after ones from Wyse. They certainly are capable, hardware-wise of WOL, but it just isn't used, and has been explicitly disabled in the BIOS. It's too risky for businesses to allow POS terminal being turned on remotely, especially those where cash is kept in the drawer.

No one blames John for being unfamiliar with all the various vagaries of thin clients, before I was designing them there were a lot of issues I would never have thought of, especially in the areas of power-on issues, back-up power, booting, and security. The issue is more that he pretends to know about things that he actually knows almost nothing about.

Yep, he figures if he throws out enough acronyms that people will think that he knows what he's talking about.

No John MAC addresses do not come from ARP. ARP resolves IP addresses to MAC addresses.

No there was not. Just like you were outed in the 90's for your lame info on modems, you still come out with incorrect facts today.

It is you who does not know what he is talking about. Tell us again how ARP assigns MAC addresses as you have claimed.

That can be a very good thing.

And that is what I have observed, and have called him on. I was reading your thread with the other person and seen you were talking about thin clients/dumb terminal type of devices, and then that was when John jumped in with his wake on lan which is a different technology than what you were discussing.

And like John was exposed real quickly for not having a very good understanding of what was being discussed, they are outed very quickly as being all talk and no substance.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:44:07 -0800, "Dana" wrote in :

Whatever you say.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:45:41 -0700, SMS wrote in :

As usual, you have that backwards.

Describes you perfectly.