Re: Showdown with USA Over Internet Control

In article , Patrick Townson

> noted [ICANN] >> And they do not want to make things _too easy_ to filter >> out; that might make the internet useful for average, everyday >> citizens once again. > Is that why ICANN kicked AOL off the Internet? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Two comments, Seth ... _when_ did ICANN > 'kick AOL off the internet'?

Once, again, we see that sarcasm doesn't play on the net.

And, if as you claim, 'ICANN has no control over the wires' then how > come if I do not sign their contract when requested, granting them > ownership and sole arbitrator privleges over the name > 'telecom-digest.org' they can refuse to allow me to be on the net?

Really? Who do you get your connectivity from? I get my home connectivity from RoadRunner, and they don't require me to sign any contract with ICANN; my colo server gets connectivity from another provider, and they don't require any contract with ICANN either.

I have registered several domains, and _that_ requires a contract with ICANN. But if I preferred to just give out the IP address, I wouldn't need those either.

I would say that if I am required to sign a contract > which 'allows me' to use my name and make speeches on the net, then > the person or entity who makes that requirement has a lot of control > over the net, wouldn't you?

But I've been using my name and making speeches on the net for a long time, since well before I had a domain. (Depending on how you define "the net", I could argue I was doing so before ICANN existed.)

And what real problem would there be, > in the process of handing out those contracts to sign in which I must > agree to certain things to _amend_ those contracts to include things > dealing with spam/scam, etc? Everyone has to sign one of those > contracts every so often, don't they?

No, they don't. When does schlund.de sign a contract with ICANN?

Seth

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I seriously doubt that schlund.de has any contact with ICANN. I get my connectivity through cableone.net both for personal matters _and_ for the Digest. In the case of the Digest, I use puTTY (a secure form of telnet) to connect with massis. lcs.mit.edu in Boston. I do _not_ do telnet to telecom-digest.org. 'telecom-digest.org' only exists as a figment of my imagination. It is an _alias domain name_, ditto telecom-digest.com and telecom-digest.net.

The only one I use is telecom-digest.org (as you may know), and all three of those aliases (.org/.com/.net) terminate on the computer system of the mayor of Trumansburg, NY known as iecc.com. When calls to those three alias names (let's call it

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) hit the mayor's computing system, they are forwarded to MIT to the massis.lcs.mit.edu computer where they then land, or go into the telecom-archives directory. Calls for http first land on a web page on the mayor's computer where they are instantly redirected over to MIT. If I did (some form of) _telnet://telecom-digest.org_ I would wind up on Mayor Levine's computer, rather than massis/MIT. So when I start work here each day, I must telnet (or puTTY, actually) to massis.lcs.mit.edu and login here _on MIT_ where I pretend I am dealing with a fictious entity known as telecom-digest.org and do all my editing work on massis before I send it out as telecom-digest.org using sendmail with the flag -f ('trusted user' manipulates the 'From:' portion of the email address, so that ' snipped-for-privacy@massis.lcs.mit.edu' becomes ' snipped-for-privacy@telecom-digest.org' or 'editor' or whomever.) Now, is all that clear?

So whatever I do here all day, either telnetting to MIT for this Digest, or telnetting to one of my accounts at Berkeley, CA where I have a couple .edu accounts or a couple other .edu accounts 'back east' I begin by hooking my computer to the cable line of cableone.net in Independence, KS and I have a 'backup' arrangement to do dialup via TerraWorld.net here in Independence also. I do not know what arrangements Cable One has with ICANN, nor do I know what arrangements the various .edu sites I use have with ICANN. All I know is that my _domain name_ telecom-digest (multipled three times, .org/.net/.com) is registered with ICANN and they reserve the right to take it away from me if they wish to do so. Either I (or someone) has to pay an extortion fee to ICANN and _sign a contract with them_ waiving most of my rights. If that is not having control over the net, I do not know what is.

I keep hearing people saying "ICANN has no rights over your domain name," and I do not know where they come from or what happens with _their_ domain names. Surely they have to sign the same contract signing away their rights to ICANN also. Am I some sort of exception to the rules? I must obey ICANN's rules but no one else has to? That must be the case. I must be some sort of exceptional case; no one else has to sign away their domain name or pay some extortion payment? Is that why I have to keep explaining this over and over? Why should I have to pay ICANN exortion money to be able to use my name? PAT]

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