The Brinks PSA

Recycling unwanted alarm equipment is the responsible, and politically correct think to do. Other companies would just fill our overtaxed landfills with their useless junk.

Jim Rojas

Frank Ols> As posted in the "Evergreen" thread, states in "Section 3 Three Year

No, of course not!

Of course not... Brinks doesn't ACTUALLY care about their old equipment... unless they think someone ELSE cares about it. Then it's "Mine mine mine!"

Send'em to Rojas, I'm sure he'll put them to good use ;)

I understand Jim's new house might be an igloo made of used Brinks panels. One thing, his wife will never complain about the lack of "storage cabinets"... ;-)

Ok Frank, how about sending me one so I can experiment on it and learn how to crack it. Just so I know how mind you.....:))

RHC

Now you know that would be completely unethical. I have to give Brinks the chance to pick up the parts first. I will contact some customers whose Brinks equipment has been replaced and see whether-or-not they've received any reply to their requests to pick up said equipment, though.

You actually believe him?

OK, I wonder if the other party who cracks boards (Jackson in Port Moody) would be interested...:)).

Me...I wouldn't ever do anything like crack a leased board for someone, but you never know where Brinks is going to head with this nonsense. Knowledge is power and I'd sure like to learn to crack their boards...just so I can say I can do it....:)) You never know !!

I can't say I've ever seen a Brinks system out here in the Eastern part of Canada. ADT and Alarmforce seem to have the "bullshit market" wrapped up.....

Looks like they've gone so far as to force Jim's site off line.....

RHC

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RHC: Who knows ! Stranger things have happened.....

As usual, he doesn't have what he claims to have. The rest is just olsonic BS.

The day he tells the whole truth I'll buy Bob L's ticket to the Amazon.

Pot Kettle black

Now that's a lie. I've never lied in this Newsgroup (or any other for that matter). Bass is just being... well... Bass.

Update... I just received an email from one of my customers. He was going to chuck the Brinks panel and parts because it's been over six months since we replaced his equipment. When I told him some nut in Ontario wanted to "play" with it, he said... "fine!". I'll pick it up on Saturday afternoon and have it to you next week with the proviso that anything you find that hasn't already been mentioned in Jim's submission to the court will be made freely available here and at

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RHC: Hehehe....agreed, with one proviso !

I will NEVER reveal how unlocking is done. This is a gentleman's agreement I have with Jim Rojas and Jackson. We share how this is done between ourselves and no one else. We don't want this dangerous information getting out to the general public (and to anyone who questions this, if this makes us "judge, jury and executioner...tough !! ...that's the way it's going to be). There are too many individuals and alarm companies who would use this knowledge against others. Nor would I publish in any form any information that will allow anyone to crack these boards. But other than that, everything goes. Screw Brinks and their bullshit.......(and I thought ADT was bad !)

Since none of the Brinks products are keypad programmable (they utilize a hand-held programmer manufactured by DTI/Scantronic that *any* alarm dealer in the US/Canada can purchase from GE) "unlocking" this board would prove a fruitless exercise, but by all means "fill your boots". The programmers are regularly offered for sale on eBay as well. The programming "map" would be a good thing to get a-hold of and it shouldn't take much to reverse engineer it (or find some disgruntled Brinks employee willing to part with it). That way someone could "rent" the programmer (along with explicit directions on how to use it with

*any* Brinks product) for a small fee. You'd have to ask for a deposit (that would cover the cost of the unit) which you would return to the customer once he's sent it back to you. The programming map/instructions he could keep. This could be "big". Some could even call it a "movement".

RHC: Frank, I do not need the special programmer to do what I do. However, if the units are not keypad programmable, you are correct in that one would need to create a "map" of locations and their functions. This would simply take a bit more time; however, once established, I would not ethically be able to publish this information. In a sense, it "belongs" to Brinks, and much as I'd like to see them get the royal shaft over this bullshit with Jim, two wrongs never make a right !! I just thought it would be fun to crack their board simply to say I can do it....

I wonder why they are so worried about this information getting out. Most customers would never be able to do this sort of thing, and even installers who would choose to learn to reprogram Brinks panels with the special programmer to make them "local" for customers, would have a major learning curve to do so, and would have to charge the clients quite a bit to make it worth their while, which would make it likely that the client would instead simply choose to buy a new and better panel from any number of sources. Brinks concerns are really a "storm in a teacup" and as some have suggested, just an excuse for their lawyers to rack up billable hours.

At this point, if they were to withdraw their complaints though, it would be a loss of face for them. I doubt they would do so for that reason alone....

Actually, the 3000 and the 4000 systems are based on the Honeywell Vista

10 or 15. The programming fields are practically identical. Jim's published the programming "map" for the 1000. I don't see that it's all that "secret" considering the master chip isn't even manufactured by Brinks. How does one obtain a "patent" on a system that's practically the same as every other one out there? The old PC-2000 (DSC) would still offer more features than the Brinks panels (and you will recall you needed to burn the chip and then insert it into the board). I recall Chubb made a custom keypad for the PC-2000 (they called it a Sentinel IIIB) but "Digital Security Controls" was stamped all over the boards. Brinks is a joke.

He's FOS. You'll never it.

On Oct 11, 5:49 pm, "Robert L Bass" wrote:

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RHC: No matter one way or the other. I would learn to crack it and then toss it anyway, since it is unusable equipment for any real purpose. This stupid legal action has really gone too far. I have to wonder what they hope to gain in the industry from this kind of approach other than a black eye. Someone within Brinks with some marketing vision had better get their act together before their lawyers cause the company harm with this one track legal action. This sort of thing should put all legitimate alarm companies on notice that these low end, money grubbing type companies can eventually cause us all a lot of grief. I scratch my head and I still cannot come up with a real reason for Brinks to be doing this (other than on principle, since he won't knuckle under). Their equipment is proprietary, so useless to anyone except their station other than the odd person who might want to use it in local mode. User manuals on Jim's site would only assist Brinks end user customers who might otherwise have to bug Brinks for another copy of their manuals. And anything that Jim might have put up on his site regarding programming their panels (even inadvertantly) would be useless to anyone who didn't have the proper programmers anyway (since it appears they are not keypad programmable). So what the hell kind of information could he have ever had on his site that could have possibly caused a threat to anything Brinks is doing in their business. It beats the hell out of me !!!!!!!!