Gmail has marked this morning's Telecom Digest with a warning [telecom]

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I just got an email from reader Charles Jackson, alerting me to a
warninghe received when he opened this morning's Telecom Digest.

Mr. Jackson uses Gmail, and I confirmed the problem by bouncing a copy
of the digest to my Gmail account, where it showed up in the "Spam"
folder. When I opened the message, I got this warning:

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Google doesn't reveal the way it rates emails, but I reviewed this
copy of the Digest with an eye toward "Spaminess," and I don't see
any reason for the warning.

The warning is accompanied by a "Learn More" link, which states that

"You can mark or unmark emails as spam. Gmail also automatically
identifies spam and other suspicious emails and sends them to Spam."

... and gives instructions on how to unmark email as spam, by
clicking the "Not Spam" link at the top of the Gmail page. When I did
that, the message immediately moved to the Inbox.

Please do that too, if you get the digest via Gmail: it's a good bet
that a few dozen "Not spam" ratings will put this copy of the Digest
in the "Safe" category at Gmail.

Bill Horne
Moderator

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    <tt>I just got an email from reader Charles Jackson, alerting me to
      a <br>
      warning</tt><tt> </tt><tt>he received when he opened this
      morning's Telecom Digest.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>Mr. Jackson uses Gmail, and I confirmed the problem by
      bouncing a copy</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>of the digest to my Gmail account, where it showed up in
      the "Spam"</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>folder. When I opened the message, I got this warning:</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>+------------------------------------------------------------+</tt><tt><br>






    </tt><tt>+------------------------------------------------------------+</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>Google doesn't reveal the way it rates emails, but I
      reviewed this</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>copy of the Digest with an eye toward "Spaminess," and I
      don't see</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>any reason for the warning.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>The warning is accompanied by a "Learn More" link, which
      states that</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>"You can mark or unmark emails as spam. Gmail also
      automatically</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>identifies spam and other suspicious emails and sends them
      to Spam."</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>... and gives instructions on how to unmark email as spam,
      by</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>clicking the "Not Spam" link at the top of the Gmail page.
      When I did</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>that, the message immediately moved to the Inbox.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>Please do that too, if you get the digest via Gmail: it's a
      good bet</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>that a few dozen "Not spam" ratings will put this copy of
      the Digest</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>in the "Safe" category at Gmail.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
      Bill Horne<br>
      Moderator<br>
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Re: Gmail has marked this morning's Telecom Digest with a warning [telecom]
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:28:07 PM UTC-5, Bill Horne wrote:

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never could figure out why.  Likewise, some of my emails would end up
in my recipients' SPAM box.

I learned to periodically check my SPAM in-box as sometimes important
legitimate mail was in there.

[In other news, yesterday I got a new recording from a credit card
company claiming to be "my bank with lower interest rates".]

***** Moderator's Note *****

Well, Google's "Don't be evil" motto is all very nice, but they don't
seem to have any problem being a pain in the butt.

What the company appears to be trying to do is eliminate spam
single-handed, not only by having tight spam controls, but also by
dictating that any email service which they deign to accept
connections from must have "SPF" records and a "DKIM" record in place,
plus the "usual" DNS "PTR" record for any domain that they talk to. No
problem for deep-pocketed multi-nationals, of course, but those of us
who run personal servers seldom have the knowledge or time - or money
- to implement such precautions.

One of the privileges of being billionaires is that Sergei Brin and
Larry Page can tilt at windmills, and even force others to do it, by
seeking a Quixotic prize known as the FUSSP: the Final Ultimate
Solution to the Spam Problem. Unfortunately, being billionaires also
means that very few experts are willing to tell them that it's
unobtainium.  As John Levine once pointed out, a cut-rate telegraph
service instituted over a century ago was quickly overwhelmed with
advertising messages, and John also pointed out that any low-cost
delivery method will be abused, and the spammers can't get any lower a
cost than the one provided by having the victims pay for the transport
themselves.

Google is taking a risk: the classic trap of crying "Wolf!" so often
than no one believes the warning anymore.

Bill Horne
Moderator

Re: Gmail has marked this morning's Telecom Digest with a warning [telecom]
our esteemed Moderator wrote:
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| [Google/GMail] dictating that any email service which they deign to
| accept connections from must have "SPF" records and a "DKIM" record
| in place, plus the "usual" DNS "PTR" record for any domain that they
| talk to. No problem for deep-pocketed multi-nationals, of course,
| but those of us who run personal servers seldom have the knowledge
| or time - or money - to implement such precautions.
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Well, it's not *quite* that bad (yet), though I certainly agree that
the intellectual "cost to play" has risen over the last few years.

I too run my own email from a personal server at home with no DKIM,
and GMail still accepts mail from my domain.

True, I do use an access ISP [Sonic.net] that allows [though charges
for] static IPv4 address(es) on my service [ADSL2+], and that provides
a simple tool for providing [though *not* delegating, but that's o.k.]
reverse-lookup addresses [PTR records] for those addresses.

And, true, I do run my own DNS, which made adding an SPF record
trivial.

And I run Postfix with a fairly tight set of configs, which also
helps.

But once it was set up, it all works pretty well, with no lossage at
GMail [that I know of].


-Rob

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627 26th Avenue        <http://rpw3.org/
San Mateo, CA 94403

***** Moderator's Note *****

Rob, you sound like just the guy I'm looking for: please help me set
up the SPF and PTR records for the Telecom Digest. :-)

Bill Horne
Moderator

Re: [telecom] Gmail has marked this morning's Telecom Digest with a warning
On 2/3/2018 1:14 PM, Telecom Digest Moderator wrote:
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I have some things from the digest get dropped into the SPAM folder by  
Gmail.  Has been going on for a couple years.  And, I simply check those  
off as NOT SPAM, and they come on thru.

Gmail is supposed to learn from my responses about spam -- they don't  
seem to in this case -- but from what I understand their settings are  
developed for each account.  So, while they finally understand that for  
my account, it would not propagate to yours.

Possibility, if I were to add the Digest to my address book, that might  
act as a white list.  I do not have any addresses in an address book on  
that Gmail account.  That is intentional, since if the account were to  
get hacked, at least the hackers would not be getting my address book.  
Heaven only knows I get lots of unwanted emails from apparent friends  
that have had their Yahoo accounts compromised.

...Bob K

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