Refrigerator monitor ideas?

"B Fuhrmann" wrote

That was really remarkable and bolstered my belief that automated solutions are usually better than checklists. He was their *superstar* most senior pilot with the best safety record of all their flyers! Like any other disaster, a lot of things went wrong at once. A terrorist threat, layover rules, impatient captains, meek copilots, tower personal listening to a soccer match, too much fuel and a very unusual fog all came together like a Steven King plot.

Oh, I forgot there was one more important cause. The plane they hit had missed third turnout in the fog because it was marked poorly and was much tighter than the other turnouts. I'll bet that junior copilots still kowtow to super senior guys - especially those in their rating chain of command. (-:

-- Bobby G.

Piece of cake. You can download a demo version of the ELK-M1G configuration software from ELK's website.

If all you want the system to do is warn you what difference does it make if it "falses" when you have the door open? You could easily add a door open sensor and set up a delay on it. The ELK-M1G can be set to ignore temperature swings for a few minutes when the door is open. It can also be told to warn you if the door stays open too long.

Why not just install a doggy door so she can leave her stuff outside where it belongs?

The TS300 retails for $64.50.

The information I posted came from the NTSB report and other online docs. There have been modifications to the 737 in the time since the accident. The information I posted was correct.

I didn't identify you as the person who told the story but since you've decided to come out of the closet, yes you most certainly did.

I wonder if you plan to post a few hundred more "did not", "did so" messages or just let this thread die without further eroding your credibility -- not to mention the QOL of this newsgroup.

right for it.

First, he used reverse thrusters to try to push back

tried using the hot exhaust of the airliner ahead

the water to refreeze on the trailing edges of his

that would not have mattered anyway. The pilot

handled by airplanes equipment. Airports in areas

removing materials. The problem is then the time

True. However, he should have noticed several problems. The facts indicate he ignored repeated warnings from the FO during the take-off roll. He also violated company (not FAA) policy by using reverse thrusters at the gate.

also built new deicing pads at the taxiway ends by

a backed up taxiway and shortly before they get in

Coincidentally, the last time I was at the Twin Cities we had to wait all night due to ice and snow. I was enroute to Hartford from Las Vegas after attending the CES show. At the time I was a student pilot and I happened to meet the copilot of the airplane I was to fly while waiting out the storm. This was pre-9/11 and guess who got a jump seat ride. For a new student pilot that was a major thrill. :^)

that effect) but he refused to listen.

another while taking off because the pilot (who happened

airport had been shut down due to weather...

"Get-there-itis" it's called. It's an often fatal ailment unfortunately.

copilots complaints about the flagrant rule violation)

that the removed the "chain of command" attitude

power for the pilot instead of just a back up flunky.

The problem can still crop up, especially if the FO is young and the pilot is authoritative (a character trait that is sometimes consider a good thing in pilots).

For every "did" from Frank there is a corresponding "did not" from you, and vice versa. In order for it to stop, it only takes one of you to stop responding.

Doug

| What I don't know is how much of that energy is not purely waste but is | contributing to warming the house.

To the best approximation you'll ever need, 100% of the energy is contributing to warming the house.

Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com

Measuring the current is not useful with an inductive load. Current can be quite high but is not directly proportional to power as it's out-of-phase with voltage. The Kill A Watt digitally samples both current and voltage instantaneously thousands of times per second and computes the true power. If you switch between the VA reading and the Watts reading you'll see the VA is higher. Of course, you need to wait until you've completed the kWh test.

IOW, don't risk damage to your RS232 meter for a reading that is not meaningful.

You flame all the time. Since you say I'm lying, I'll lay out the basics here.

You claimed to have been one of a team from Lloyd's that borrowed a 737 from Boeing before they delivered it to an airplane customer of theirs. You originally said you wanted to deploy reverse thrusters in the air. Only after I informed you that there's an interlock which prevents deployment unless there is weight on the mains did you change your story.

At that point you claimed that your pal took the airplane to 5000 AGL and banged full rudder, resulting in an inversion so fast that a passenger literally soiled his pants. What you didn't know is that:

1. Boeing would never loan a 737 to an insurance company.
2. There's a problem with the 737's rudder control that has on several occasions caused them to crash when a pilot mistakenly used too much rudder too fast.
3. The 737 is not rated for aerobatics.
4. Lots more stuff.

I happen to do business with the Boeing Aircraft company. I also happen to know a number of experienced airline pilots, several who fly 737's on a regular basis. For fun I've shown several of them copies of your story. Every one of them said you are FOS. One Boeing engineer who happened to be involved in the design of the 757 said you were "talking out of your [well, you know].

Feel free to keep right on insisting that you made this fabled flight, Olson. You can fool the installers over in ASA but there are a number of experienced pilots in CHA, not to mention a significantly higher average IQ. Your story just won't fly here, kind of like the fact that you never flew anything.

I have it at -2 & 36. I do note that it is higher after a prolonged power failure, leading me to believe that it is actually telling me the truth.

| About two years the display amazed me by also telling me to vacuum the | coil! Which I did. And the notice on the panel went off. No reset button. It | jist knew (or faked it very well).

Mine did this as well. Naturally I believed that there was something else wrong and the clever controller was just displaying the only message it had, but indeed when I vacuumed the coils it was happy. Now I vacuum slightly more often (but still only every year or so). It's a nice machine, thought for $5k+ it should be.

Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com

called a "stall warning." Of course, by the time that

The comment was facetious.

Having never experienced wing ice (a bit of frost on one night flight was the worst) I'll take your word for it. I don't really want to find that one out for myself though. :^)

I'm sure you also know the only place where

Also, due to the probability of hidden stress damage, there's no way on earth Boeing would let anyone do what Olson claimed and then hand the airplane over to a customer for use. They're just not that stupid.

Face it, his entire tale was a lie.

There's no point in arguing with you, Bass. You've deliberately confused several issues regarding my original post and are basing your argument on your own misleading comments and not what I said. This is soooo typical of you. If anyone's interested in the Google links to it (the original post that started it all), they can email me. In the mean time, I'll leave you to spew your vitriole into the Group.

"Tchau."

Its a Straw Man argument, a technique RLB uses frequently.

Doug

Followed by a useless "me too" from you. Come to think of it, when was the last time you posted anything helpful to anyone on this newsgroup?

called a "stall warning." Of course, by the time that

another way of saying you are full of it. you got nailed again for trolling for a fight, yet it's always someone else, eh. and within the sancitiy of the cha. tsk tsk

Actually it was followed by

"In order for it to stop, it only takes one of you to stop responding"

But don't let the facts get in the way now, you never have in the past.

Doug

While I've been skipping much of this thread (too much bickering), one thing occurred to me...

The problem seems to occur when the coils "freeze up" and defrosting doesn't occur or the drain tube is clogged. When defrosting occurs normally, it's clear that the moisture will travel down a tube, into either a pan or a drain every day or so.

What if you used a moisture sensor where the tube drains? I'm thinking in particular, the type used as a rain sensor for an irrigation system.

It's got a spdt or spst microswitch, and disks that expand when wet. The "trigger level" is adjustable (a set screw).

(the one I use I got from homecontrols.com, IIRC. Here's one like the one I use with my irrigation system:

Simple, with no controller involved, with delays based on how fast the sensor dries out, and adjustable... And no worry about how often the door is opened...

Robert Green wrote:

You skipped too much of the thread. That's already been suggested.

Those work. There are also units used indoors to warn of moisture on the floor.

Sorry, but the noise level got high pretty quick.

Boys will be boys.....

Whats wrong with using a remote wireless indoor outdoor thermometer.

Tywrap the remote to the place the freezes first.

Michelle