DSL splitters: Siecor SPS-H50-SR1 too expensive??
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Posted by Brad Allen on July 12, 2006, 9:07 pm
Please log in for more thread options The price for the Siecor SPS-H50-SR1 outdoor DSL splitter went up from $35 ($48 total with T&S&H) to $62 ($75 total with T&S&H), despite being assembled in Mexico last time I got one. Are there equivilently good quality alternatives for far less cost? LONG VERSION (unnecessary to read): In one particular location, at one point, I got the Rolls-Royce of DSL splitters for my line (Siecor SPS-H50-SR1). It had 6016kbps/608kbps DSL at the time, and worked great with good SNR and other stats, using a 2nd line. I switched DSL to the main line later with 1500kbps/384kbps with a different ISP (reasons unrelated to this message), using the same DSL splitter, circuit and modem for that, but don't know the recent statistics for the main line, which undoubtedly had to be moved from the CO to the RT. Later than that, I got a 3rd line and put DSL on that, at only 1500kbps/384kbps, with a hodge podge of cabling and weak splitters. I only recently checked the stats for the 3rd line, and it is barely good enough in one direction (relcap 24% at 1500kbps when I want 6016kbps) and sucks in the other (relcap 95% at 384kbps when I want 768kbps). I currently have two DSLs at that location, and one is to be upgraded. So, now I want to clean up the connection that is going to be upgraded. I already know how (I think), but when going out to get the splitters, I ran into some trouble (money). Temporarily, I may just swap the stuff (circuits, modems, locations, splitters, etc.) for the two DSL lines (from the demarc to their respective nets) so that I can just bypass this annoyance, and/or just plug the 2nd line (the one to be upgraded with currently bad stats) DSL modem in directly to the (customer side of the) AT&T demarc/NID/box without POTS connection, and instruct the residents how to make outgoing voice calls via Skype or something instead of the 2nd POTS line, but for a more permanent solution, I have some questions. I previously obtained the Siecor Outdoor DSL Splitter / Filter SPS-H50-SR1 from Hippo Wholesale for $35+stuff= $47.67 total, now installed in the above configuration in the main line. I checked, and now they have it listed at $62, so + stuff would equal about $74.67 total. The price raise of $27 sucks, especially for a part assembled in Mexico (last time), so I am interested in alternatives. I'll start with their listing, since it has some curious stuff in it: Keptel TA 230 ADSL Splitter $17.45 Brand New Keptel TA 230 ADSL Splitter. This Keptel splitter is designed to "split" the data signal from the voice signal ... signal so it doesn't interfere with the conversation. With the TA-230 Splitter device installed, there is no need for the indoor filters which ... system, your data is running throughout the entire inside wiring. With a splitter mounted at the phone box, you are isolating data to a particular ... [my comment: cheap. decent?] Siecor Outdoor DSL Splitter / Filter SPS-H50-SR1 $62.00 This splitter is designed to "split" the data signal from the voice signal ... system, your data is running throughout the entire inside wiring. With a splitter mounted at the phone box, you are isolating data to a particular ... [what I have. outrageous price, unless there's something I don't know about it.] Siecor POTS DSL Splitter SPS-H70-SR1 $47.00 The standard for DSL splitters, Siecor SPS-H70-SR1. This splitter is designed to "split" the data signal from the voice signal ... system, your data is running throughout the entire inside wiring. With a splitter mounted at the phone box, you are isolating data to a particular ... [Notice the lower price, and higher model number. Unknown differences.] My DSL ISP contract goes monthly in November, which is when I will be upgrading, so I have until then to work on this problem. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Cubit on July 12, 2006, 9:28 pm
Please log in for more thread options I have twice used the indoor type telco provided filter at the demarc. I used a short modular cord and two jacks to wire it in series with all of the house phones. The DSL modem has a dedicated IW just for the modem. One demarc was indoors in a condo, the other was in a covered carport in a plastic bag. Price = $0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jeff Liebermann on July 12, 2006, 9:33 pm
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On 13 Jul 2006 01:07:29 GMT, ulmo@I.Q.NET (Brad Allen) wrote: >The price for the Siecor SPS-H50-SR1 outdoor DSL splitter went up from
>$35 ($48 total with T&S&H) to $62 ($75 total with T&S&H), despite >being assembled in Mexico last time I got one. Are there equivilently >good quality alternatives for far less cost? Sorta. The Siecor splitter: | http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dsl/slides/splitter.html is really nicely built. I'll guess(tm) that it has an overkill 6 pole low pass filter. (The high pass section is straight through). Also fuses and two protectors. Can't ask for much more. The Keptel splitter uses an LPF-200 device: | http://www.afltelecommunications.com/products/copper_apparatus/premise_electronics_filters/Keptel_LPF-200_Pots_Split.html | http://www.afltelecommunications.com/resource%20center/specifications/copper_apparatus/pdfs/LPF-200.pdf Looking at the specs, it's not as good as the Siecor, but more than adequate for todays DSL lines. I would say it's a good substitute. I've been using these instead of the Siecor. They're not a pretty, but they work well enough on marginal lines (my main application). I think I paid $20 including the outdoor case and MPOE mounting adapter. See me if you want one. >LONG VERSION (unnecessary to read):
Short version. Corning bought Siecor and raised prices. -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us # http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by John Navas on July 14, 2006, 7:12 pm
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:33:02 GMT, Jeff Liebermann >On 13 Jul 2006 01:07:29 GMT, ulmo@I.Q.NET (Brad Allen) wrote:
> >>The price for the Siecor SPS-H50-SR1 outdoor DSL splitter went up from
>>$35 ($48 total with T&S&H) to $62 ($75 total with T&S&H), despite >>being assembled in Mexico last time I got one. Are there equivilently >>good quality alternatives for far less cost? >
http://www.afltelecommunications.com/products/copper_apparatus/premise_electronics_filters/Keptel_LPF-200_Pots_Split.html
>Sorta. The Siecor splitter: >| http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dsl/slides/splitter.html >is really nicely built. I'll guess(tm) that it has an overkill 6 pole >low pass filter. (The high pass section is straight through). Also >fuses and two protectors. Can't ask for much more. > >The Keptel splitter uses an LPF-200 device: >| >|
http://www.afltelecommunications.com/resource%20center/specifications/copper_apparatus/pdfs/LPF-200.pdf
>Looking at the specs, it's not as good as the Siecor, but more than
>adequate for todays DSL lines. I would say it's a good substitute. I respectfully disagree -- I've had a number of problems with Keptel splitters that were solved by switching to Siecor. Old PacBel DSL techs considered the Keptel to be a PoS. -- Best regards, John Navas | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jeff Liebermann on July 16, 2006, 10:47 pm
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[Sonic.dsl deleted because Newsguy complains that it doesn't exist] >I respectfully disagree -- I've had a number of problems with Keptel
>splitters that were solved by switching to Siecor. Old PacBel DSL techs >considered the Keptel to be a PoS. Well, up until today, I would have said that I've had no problems with Keptel DSL splitters. However, I did a service call today[1] and found that the problem was a defective Keptel splitter. It had a low resistance "short" across the line end of the low pass filter which looked like an off hook to Ma Bell. I replaced it with an identical Keptel filter. The one that died lasted 5 years, so I can't really complain (much). [1] Yes, I work on Sundays with the proper incentives. I got to borrow a nifty network analyzer for a few weeks. All I have to do is fix it. Hmmmm... maybe not such a great incentive. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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> $35 ($48 total with T&S&H) to $62 ($75 total with T&S&H), despite
> being assembled in Mexico last time I got one. Are there equivilently
> good quality alternatives for far less cost?
>
>
> LONG VERSION (unnecessary to read):
>
> In one particular location, at one point, I got the Rolls-Royce of DSL
> splitters for my line (Siecor SPS-H50-SR1). It had 6016kbps/608kbps
> DSL at the time, and worked great with good SNR and other stats, using
> a 2nd line. I switched DSL to the main line later with
> 1500kbps/384kbps with a different ISP (reasons unrelated to this
> message), using the same DSL splitter, circuit and modem for that, but
> don't know the recent statistics for the main line, which undoubtedly
> had to be moved from the CO to the RT. Later than that, I got a 3rd
> line and put DSL on that, at only 1500kbps/384kbps, with a hodge podge
> of cabling and weak splitters. I only recently checked the stats for
> the 3rd line, and it is barely good enough in one direction (relcap
> 24% at 1500kbps when I want 6016kbps) and sucks in the other (relcap
> 95% at 384kbps when I want 768kbps). I currently have two DSLs at
> that location, and one is to be upgraded.
>
> So, now I want to clean up the connection that is going to be
> upgraded. I already know how (I think), but when going out to get the
> splitters, I ran into some trouble (money).
>
> Temporarily, I may just swap the stuff (circuits, modems, locations,
> splitters, etc.) for the two DSL lines (from the demarc to their
> respective nets) so that I can just bypass this annoyance, and/or just
> plug the 2nd line (the one to be upgraded with currently bad stats)
> DSL modem in directly to the (customer side of the) AT&T
> demarc/NID/box without POTS connection, and instruct the residents how
> to make outgoing voice calls via Skype or something instead of the 2nd
> POTS line, but for a more permanent solution, I have some questions.
>
> I previously obtained the Siecor Outdoor DSL Splitter / Filter
> SPS-H50-SR1 from Hippo Wholesale for $35+stuff= $47.67 total, now
> installed in the above configuration in the main line. I checked, and
> now they have it listed at $62, so + stuff would equal about $74.67
> total. The price raise of $27 sucks, especially for a part assembled
> in Mexico (last time), so I am interested in alternatives.
>
> I'll start with their listing, since it has some curious stuff in it:
>
> Keptel TA 230 ADSL Splitter $17.45
>
> Brand New Keptel TA 230 ADSL Splitter. This Keptel splitter is
> designed to "split" the data signal from the voice signal
> ... signal so it doesn't interfere with the conversation. With the
> TA-230 Splitter device installed, there is no need for the indoor
> filters which ... system, your data is running throughout the
> entire inside wiring. With a splitter mounted at the phone box,
> you are isolating data to a particular ...
>
> [my comment: cheap. decent?]
>
> Siecor Outdoor DSL Splitter / Filter SPS-H50-SR1 $62.00
>
> This splitter is designed to "split" the data signal from the
> voice signal ... system, your data is running throughout the
> entire inside wiring. With a splitter mounted at the phone box,
> you are isolating data to a particular ...
>
> [what I have. outrageous price, unless there's something I don't know
> about it.]
>
> Siecor POTS DSL Splitter SPS-H70-SR1 $47.00
>
> The standard for DSL splitters, Siecor SPS-H70-SR1. This splitter
> is designed to "split" the data signal from the voice signal
> ... system, your data is running throughout the entire inside
> wiring. With a splitter mounted at the phone box, you are
> isolating data to a particular ...
>
> [Notice the lower price, and higher model number. Unknown
> differences.]
>
>
> My DSL ISP contract goes monthly in November, which is when I will be
> upgrading, so I have until then to work on this problem.