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Posted by danny burstein on June 30, 2008, 12:33 pm
Please log in for more thread options their workers drive around the country and marking down the locations of umptity umptity umptity 802.11 signals... "... Metropolitan areas today are blanketed by overlapping Wi-Fi signals. At a typical Manhattan intersection, you might be in range of 20 base stations. "Skyhook's big idea: If you could somehow correlate those beacon signals with their physical locations, you could pinpoint your own location, G.P.S.-style, but without G.P.S.." rest: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/technology/personaltech/26pogue.html | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by LR on June 30, 2008, 1:39 pm
Please log in for more thread options The idea has been around around for quite a while. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6058 http://placelab.org/ I don't know what happened to it but since they considered using WIGLE for the database I presume they didn't have sufficient funds to create a sufficiently large one of their own. Given the rate at which some people change their equipment any database has the potential for large errors, although the cell tower option would probably be more stable. | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jeff Liebermann on June 30, 2008, 10:20 pm
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>danny burstein wrote:
> >> "Skyhook's big idea: If you could somehow correlate those
>> beacon signals with their physical locations, you could >> pinpoint your own location, G.P.S.-style, but without G.P.S.." >
>The idea has been around around for quite a while. >http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6058 >http://placelab.org/ >I don't know what happened to it but since they considered >using WIGLE for the database I presume they didn't have sufficient funds >to create a sufficiently large one of their own. Given the rate at which >some people change their equipment any database has the potential for >large errors, although the cell tower option would probably be more stable. Don't forget about Microsoft Location Finder: <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5a588766-3697-4906-a239-f4222c91e324&DisplayLang=en>
It uses wi-fi access point locations. If that's not avaiable, it uses
reverse DNS lookup. Then, there's Loki for social networking: <http://www.loki.com>
and of course, Google Maps: <http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps/index.html>
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Posted by on July 1, 2008, 11:46 am
Please log in for more thread options > Don't forget about Microsoft Location Finder:
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5a588766-3697-4906-a239-f4222c91e324&DisplayLang=en> > It uses wi-fi access point locations. If that's not avaiable, it uses > reverse DNS lookup. It would seem that Microsoft has forgotten it. That's quite the stale listing. A general search shows most articles from around 2006, the date of that link. A search of Microsoft Knowledge Base turns up nothing. It used to be a very obvious option in the maps.live.com site, but now it's gone. Virtual Earth doesn't offer it any more, and there are so many Microsoft mapping programs that I gave up looking for one that has it. It might still be part of MapPoint, but I always was confused whether that included Streets and Trips or not. I thought it was clever technology, and pinpointed my location a few times, but I don't think I ever saw a way to enter information into their database, or how their database was derived. I haven't installed it on my current laptop. Does it still work for you? -- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jeff Liebermann on July 1, 2008, 1:27 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:46:53 +0000 (UTC), dold@94.usenet.us.com wrote:
>> Don't forget about Microsoft Location Finder:
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5a588766-3697-4906-a239-f4222c91e324&DisplayLang=en>
>> It uses wi-fi access point locations. If that's not avaiable, it uses
>> reverse DNS lookup. >It would seem that Microsoft has forgotten it. That's quite the stale listing.
>A general search shows most articles from around 2006, the date of that >link. > >A search of Microsoft Knowledge Base turns up nothing. The name got changed to Microsoft Live Search Maps and is part of the MS Live Search collection: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Search>
>It used to be a very obvious option in the maps.live.com site, but now it's
>gone. Virtual Earth doesn't offer it any more, and there are so many >Microsoft mapping programs that I gave up looking for one that has it. It >might still be part of MapPoint, but I always was confused whether that >included Streets and Trips or not. Yep. Seems to be gone. >I thought it was clever technology, and pinpointed my location a few times,
>but I don't think I ever saw a way to enter information into their >database, or how their database was derived. > >I haven't installed it on my current laptop. Does it still work for you? I don't have it installed on any of my machines. However, it was installed with MS Streets and Traps on a customers machine now in my office. The problem is that I can't uninstall it because it demands the CD, which has disappeared. I'll try it when I get to the office. Note that there are various web sites that will guess your city by IP address: <http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?Getlocation>
Not as nice as by hotspot, but useful.
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> beacon signals with their physical locations, you could
> pinpoint your own location, G.P.S.-style, but without G.P.S.."