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What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?

My son is going to be a freshman at college and we put a  
deposit down on an apartment which will assign him an
arbitrary roommate when they get there in the beginning
of August.

I have to make a choice if he will use his unlimited data
(but tethering is limited to 7GB) cellphone plan, or if  
they will get cable.

To get price comparisons, I started calling around for  
WiFi access for them (to compare against the cellphones
used as hotpots).

Comcast tells me the Internet is $45/month for 25Mbps down
and 5Mbps up, $50 for the installation, and $10/month for
the modem rental, with no taxes or surcharges (all of which
might likely be split with the unknown roommate).

When I asked if we could bring our own modem they said  
that any DOCSIS3.0 modem will work, so, I googled and  
found plenty.

I pretty much known absolutely nothing about modems, but,  
I do know routers a little so, I'm assuming I want an  
integral 802.11n 4-port wireless router (unless there is
some advantage to a separate router?).

Maybe some of you are on cable?
What do you look for in a DOCSIS3.0 modem?

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
mns9jd$bjr$1@news.albasani.net

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And how does the speed of tethered or hotspot WiFi from  
the cellphone (4G/LTE) speeds compare with cable?

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Word on the street is that you can frequently get the installation fee
waived. It probably wouldn't hurt to ask. I've also seen recommendations to
check www.comcastoffers.com (redirects now to www.xfinityoffers.com) to see
what they have. For example, the 50/5 service appears to be $45/mo for 12
months.

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I'm with Time Warner at the moment, and they recently rolled out a free
upgrade to 300/20 Mbps, so I needed a new modem to be able to handle the
higher speeds. I purchased an Arris (used to be Motorola) SB-6183.

Likewise, my router would have been a severe bottleneck, so I purchased a
TP-Link Archer C9.

IMHO, separate modem and router devices provide more flexibility, both now
and in the future. Since the ISP controls the modem, if you get a combo unit
you're at their mercy even for the router access. Plus, with a combo unit,
if you want to upgrade or change just the router, for example, you have to
change the modem too. With separate units, you just upgrade or replace the
one device.

I think cellular data will end up costing more and will be slower than
cable, plus it probably has a monthly cap, but hey, it's mobile so it's
available nearly everywhere, if that's important.


Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
sqi3qa1qrrn413li39qfo4qid8il29vi3q@4ax.com

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So you recommend separate units, for flexibility?
Is there a downside to the separate units?

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The unlimited cellular has a monthly cap of 7GB for  
tethering and hotspotting, so, I agree that this is a  
negative on cellular data.

The positive is that there is no new equipment needed.
And no installation fee (although I saw they sometimes
wave it).


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Just the obvious stuff, all minor, IMHO. You'll use two electrical outlets
and a tiny bit more shelf/desk space for two devices versus one. There could
also be additional up front cost of acquisition, depending on the choices
you make, but you'll quickly forget all of that, especially if an issue
arises that affects only one of the devices.


Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 23:41:33 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"

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There's no such thing as a cable modem with Wi-Fi.  However, you can
buy what Comcast calls a "gateway" that has a modem, router, wi-fi,
and ethernet switch included.  Other versions include two telephone
ports if you subscribe to the phone service.
<http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/wireless-gateway-compare/
If you go this route, try to get a Gateway 3 as the previous versions
are horrible.

What I'm pushing is a Motorola SB6141 DOCSIS 3.0 modem.  Costco has
them for $75.

For a router/wireless/switch, I'm partial to Linksys EA2700 dual band
router mostly because I bought a bunch and got a really good price.
However, they're hard to find these daze.  Some others (refurbished):
<http://www.linksys.com/us/c/special-deals-and-refurbished/

If you're going to subscribe to Comcast phone service, everything
changes as there are no cable modems that are on the approved list:
<http://mydeviceinfo.comcast.net
Check DOCSIS 3.0 and Retail boxes and the only device that does
telephony is the Arris TG862G, which is an all in one "gateway".  It's
also the original Comcast "Gateway 1" which methinks doth suck.

Very roughly, if you rent, Comcast amortizes the cost of the "gateway"
over 12 to 18 months.  So, if your son is going to be using the modem
for less than this period, you might as well rent it from Comcast.  If
longer, then buy something.

In my never humble opinion, the winning strategy is to rent as little
as possible from Comcast.  That's fairly easy, as long as you don't
use their telephone service.

Good luck.
--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
kki3qalc4ofd4644t9agrc7jvshe6b3oq1@4ax.com

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Oh. I didn't realize that.

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That's probably what we want.

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I don't see any advantage of having a phone, unless the  
cellular coverage is spotty.

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Ooooh. I like Costco. I didn't know they sold them.  
That's probably what I will get, if it's in the stores  
out here.

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I happen to like power, although the kids don't know any  
better. The more power, the better I say (yes, I know about
noise).

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That's an interesting gotcha!
I don't think they'll get phone service, but, it's a great  
question to ask the roommate when we meet the family.

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I would never have understood that suggestion if you hadn't  
explained the detail about the phone service modems not being
available for purchase. Thanks!


Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 03:36:21 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"

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I pay $75 per *year* for my phone service:
<http://www.future-nine.com/plans.html
If your son has cable internet, an independent VoIP provider is a good
way to go.

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Grrr...  I have customers in areas where too much wi-fi has made
2.4GHz unusable.  I've had to switch them to 5GHz to minimize the
interference.  High power also creates an "alligator", which is a
critter with tiny ears and a big mouth, just like your high power
wi-fi setup.  Ideally, you would want the transmit and receive range
to be identical.  By increasing the access point power, you'll end up
with far more transmit ranget than the access point could possibly
hear.  That's little better than a jammer.  You'll also get complaints
like: "I have a strong signal from the access point, but I can't
connect" which is beause the access point can't hear the puny
smartphone signal.

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I screwed up.  I forgot that the Arris TM822G telphony cable modem is
on the approved list:
<http://mydeviceinfo.comcast.net/device.php?devid=344
About $130 or $63 seller refurbished:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/281323059660
The modem speed specs are similar to the SB6141 (8x4 channels).  I've
only resold one of these.  No problems over the last 18 months.

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Well, I lied, errr... screwed up.  Sorry for the muddle.  You can get
a modem specifically for the Comcast phone service (TM822G). Actually,
you could use seperate boxes for the internet cable modem, and the
voice cable modem.  However, no wi-fi.  That's the way Comcast
business class systems are leased and installed.  However, that option
is not available for residential service.

--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
9lp3qalkk01u0eheullsh8iorknov8fsv6@4ax.com

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I use Ooma. The call quality stinks (but my Internet connection
also stinks, so, I can't blame the Ooma without knowing more as
my jitter is too high.

That's free, for life. There is only a one-time charge for the  
Ooma, and the darn tax (I'm registered in Kansas, where the tax
is lower).

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Yes. I knew power means noise.

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That's also good to know, but I think these kids don't even really
know what to do with a landline-style phone anyway.

They may want TV, but, pretty much they never watch TV anyway,  
as they're always on their computers (hulu and the like).

Do you think they allow root access to the modem if I buy the  
Costco one?

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:36:54 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"

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No, Comcast doesn't allow admin access to the cable modem.  Comcast
installs their proprietary firmware, which drastically limits what can
be done by the user.  The need for proprietary firmware is why the
list of Comcast approved modems is fairly small.  If you get lucky and
can find an admin password, it changes every day.  Modems are
authenticated and provisioned on power up via DHCP extensions from the
CMTS (cable modem termination server).   There's little left that can
be changed by the user.  User access to the modem's built in web
server is limited to status and diagnostics pages.

This is another reason why I like to seperate the cable modem from
everything else.  Comcast has the right to lock down their part of the
puzzle, but everything else (router and wifi) should be under the
control of the user.

--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
comp.mobile.android:  

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Unless you're referring to something else, that's not true for me. I  
have the all-in-one gateway for their X1 service, and I can access a  
reasonable array of settings for DHCP, Wifi, firewall, etc. It's not  
exactly "full-featured", but I do have some control.

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:39:41 -0400, Nil

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By "modem", I mean just the bridge between the cable network and the
ethernet connection usually going to a router.  You're referring to
what Comcast calls a "gateway", which conglomerates a modem, router,
wi-fi, ethernet switch, and an optional telephone VoIP device into one
package.

Comcast maintains strict control over the modem section, but has no
reason to limit your access to the router, wi-fi, etc which you can
configure and control.  When you connect to 192.168.100.1, you'll find
all these configuration and control settings, but if you dive into the
cable modem section, all you'll find is status and diagnostics.

--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On 07/11/2015 09:36 PM, D. F. Manno wrote:
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Excellent quality with Charter in SoCal for both Ooma and internet.  No  
TV by choice.  The best thing about ooma is being able to kick AT&T in  
the nads!

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The tax is $4/month here.  First year we got premium ($15/month) service  
for free, but it didn't offer anything that we really wanted.  The  
device itself is generally available at Costco for $139 or so, but every  
once in a while there will be a sale on the things for $90 or $100, and  
every once in a while I get email offering a coupon for both me and the  
friend that signs up through my coupon number.

If you're interested, check with an ooma-friend and you both get  
something good.  My last one expired in May :-(

Newegg had refurbished units on sale for $90 last year and currently has  
new ones for $109.

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--  
Cheers, Bev


Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
mntv3b$4gu$1@dont-email.me

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I think it's a crime that I paid a sales tax on the Ooma device,  
which makes sense, but then I pay tax on the use of the device
(which makes no sense).

I don't care about 911 (that's why I kept inputting zip codes until
I found a cheap one) and that's where it's registered so I pay the  
tax for some county in Kansas as I recall.

How they get away with charging tax just for the use of a device (whether
or not you even use it) makes no sense to me from a "logic" standpoint.


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Sounds like the Gore tax. Thank your buddy Al for that one.

As for making sense- exactly when does anyone expect the government to  
"make sense"?

Stan

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On 07/12/2015 02:47 PM, D. F. Manno wrote:
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The Feds etc. charge connection fees, which ooma passes on to us.  The  
fact that the feds make us pay this 'universal connection' fee is  
outrageous, but it's not ooma's fault -- everybody who provides you  
phone services has to pay it.

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AT&T wanted to charge me $3/month for long distance service even if I  
made NO LD calls (the case for a couple of years).  We had to  
deliberately cancel LD service with them, and the price of ordinary  
landline service just kept increasing.  When it hit $30+ we switched to  
ooma and never looked back.

AT&T used to be respectable people.  Now they're just cheesy.


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Cheers, Bev
  "Qui custodiet ipsos custodes?"  --Juvenal

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:28:13 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

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And they're happy to sell you off to the highest bidder -- our POTS and DSL
services got sold off to Frontier less than a year ago, and all the at&t
wireline real estate and service vans in this town have been painted over
with Frontier artwork (meanwhile AT&T Wireless is still AT&T).

Of course, Verizon has (reportedly) been doing much the same thing.

Cheers, -- tlvp
--  
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
mnvemi$seu$1@dont-email.me

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I think it's not "really" AT&T anymore. Someone else, I think, simply  
bought the name.


Re: What is a decent DOCSIS3.0 modem with WiFi?
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:47:11 +0000 (UTC), D. F. Manno wrote:

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No State sales tax in: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon.
HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp
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Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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68z7ifpb7iux$.4o1eunz1idyb$.dlg@40tude.net

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That's interesting. But I think it's a FEDERAL tax.
Is there anyone here in those taxless states that has an Ooma?
Do you pay monthly tax just for owning the thing (like you do with a car  
or house)?


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