TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses

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hi there

If there's anybody out there using the TalkTalk business service on VDSL  
with MORE THAN ONE static IP address, then I would be interested to hear  
from you if you have managed to separate them in any way using the  
supplied "super" router - which appears to be a Huawei HG635 with custom  
firmware.

Alternatively, if you fancy having a rant about TalkTalk, Huawei or  
Openreach, or giving me a lecture about how I don't need the static IP  
addresses in the first place then maybe you could give this one a miss.

AT

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Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 2/19/19 8:19 AM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
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Hi,


Does TalkTalk give out an 8 block (/27) with 6 usable IPs, one of which  
will be for the router?  Or do they do something else?

What do you mean by "separate them"?  What are you wanting to do?

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Last time I checked, you are a paying customer and can request what ever  
you want, for what ever reason you want it.  Who would try to tell you  
otherwise or say that you don't need a static IP?  It doesn't matter if  
you need it or not.  If you want it and are willing to pay for it,  
that's sufficient.



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Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 20/02/2019 01:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
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I have separate unix boxes for mail server and web server so I would  
like different port forwarding rules within the router. I think its  
either a question of router functionality or  .. maybe they have sent me  
the wrong router. I was hoping that an existing TalkTalk business  
customer might have trodden this path before.

FWIW I believe its a block of 4 addresses, 2 of which are usable - I am  
only paying for 2

AT

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Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses

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That would be /29.

-- Richard

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 2/20/19 5:49 AM, Richard Tobin wrote:
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*FACEPALM*

I spend too much time working with /27s at work that this was habitual.

Thank you for the correction Richard.

Now where did I put the towel to wipe the egg off.



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Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 2/19/19 5:07 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
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I think you'll find, that as IPV4 space continues to dwindle, many  
companies are requiring justification for this diminishing resource.

Took me nearly a month to get another Class C block and I own an ISP...  
_and_ I'm paying for the block.  Simply wanting to pay for addresses is  
not enough reason when plenty of other people will pay for it as well  
and can demonstrate a need.


Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 2/19/19 5:07 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:

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A /27 is 255.255.255.224

That's 32 hosts, not 8.

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
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Few if any ISP supplied routers seem to recognise in their GUIs that
one might have more than one external IP address.  Usually it would need
command line configuration of the firewall, via telnet or ssh.  I gather
though that the Talktalk Business router has different firmware from their
domestic ones.  Searching suggests there are uploadable configurations
for the domestic ones to enable ssh access, but it wasn't clear whether
they also worked on the business firmware.

You've probably tried already, but does their business support line
have sufficient clue to help ?  Surely someone else must have asked them
how to do this.

Nick
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Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 21/02/2019 09:36, Nick Leverton wrote:
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I have a particular reason for not wishing to contact the ISP about this  
issue for the time being, but ...

I have to say that I am astonished at the difficulty in getting any kind  
of sensible solution for this

AT


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Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
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You're making a rod for your own back!

Get a proper ISP and a sensible router - but then you specifically  
discounted that line of advice in your initial post.

Begs the question - why?


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Graham J

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 21/02/2019 20:12, Graham J wrote:
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I am open to any suggestions about any router which will actually do the  
job ..

AT

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Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:19:23 +0000, Abandoned Trolley

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Actually, you've also been vague about what "the job" is. You apparently
have two servers on which you've configured publicly routable IPs, even
though the two servers run completely different services. With what
you've provided so far, a single routable IP would be fine and you'd
steer traffic based on its destination port. Also, any run of the mill
NAT router would then work.

It seems, though, that there might be more to the story. Hence, the
"vague" part.



Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 22/02/2019 01:30, Char Jackson wrote:
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"or giving me a lecture about how I don't need the static IP addresses  
in the first place then maybe you could give this one a miss" ...

AT

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
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He does need ONE static IP address, but for what he has described any  
basic NAT router will be fine.

So we really do need to know why the OP has made these arbitrary  
restrictions.  Otherwise we're going to suggest a big Cisco router  





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Graham J

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 22/02/2019 09:36, Graham J wrote:
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Thanks for the suggestion, but as you have no idea what I "need" and  
clearly have no intention of answering the original question I am not  
sure of the value of your input.

AT

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 2/22/19 1:36 AM, Graham J wrote:

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MikroTik has any number of routers that are far more affordable and just  
as powerful as anything Cisco offers in the same class.

Just as an example, they offer a 72 core rackmount that will push 80  
Gbps for around $3K.

Of course there are ones that are much less than that, but they all  
share the same OS.. So a $50 MT has the same capabilities as a $3K one,  
as far as functionality, if not raw CPU power.


Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
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Last time I needed multiple public IPs the routing was done by an old
Pentium with a DSL adaptor, running Debian and Shorewall, so apols but
I can't help on that one ...  Unfortunately the HG635 isn't supported
by OpenWRT either (which I am currently getting to grips with to expand
the capabilities of my current router) so no help to be had there.

Nick
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"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
    -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 22/02/2019 09:31, Nick Leverton wrote:
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I would be interested to know if OpenWRT provides support for multiple  
WAN IPs ( preferably via GUI ?) as I have a couple of suitable router  
hosts. I have tried on the DD-WRT forum but cannot find any clear  
answers there.

AT

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Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
Abandoned Trolley wrote:

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yes it does.

Re: TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses
On 22/02/2019 10:31, Andy Burns wrote:
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Thanks for that.
I had been thinking about it anyway for a wireless bridge, but fixed  
that problem using DD-WRT.
I managed to download the OpenWRT binary and load it in to an old  
router. Its looking quite promising, although there appears to be a bit  
of a learning curve :-\

AT

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