No IP assignment at TMobile hotspots

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    I'm kinda stuck on this one, and could use a pointer as to what to do
next.
    Using a laptop running SuSE 9.1Pro with a Cisco Aironet 350 card,
I've been able to use my home WLAN (WEP encrypted) and a friend's
(unencrypted), in both cases taking IP addresses from the respective
DHCP servers, with no problems.
    But at a Kniko's or Borders, while iwconfig and iwlist show me as
being associated to the "tmobile" AP, I never get an IP address.
Attempts to ping or traceroute result in "destination network
unreachable."  I've used the tmobile APs at these same locations many
times before, using XP, with nary a problem.
    This is a pretty serious problem for me, since I live by this laptop,
on the road anywhere from 8-10 months/year.  If I can't connect to
broadband on the road (which is increasingly wireless rather than
wired, these days), I'm stuck.
    So far, I've tried rebooting on location with the card slotted, and
'rcnetwork restart.'  I've tried 'ifconfig down' and 'up' on the card,
as well.  So far, nothing works.  I've run out of tricks to try, and
Google comes up empty.  Anybody have a suggestion?




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Note that I'm crossposting this to alt.os.linux.suse and
comp.os.linux.networking, where you will likely find better
answers, or at least more discussion, for the systems admin
questions.

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This appears to be a configuration problem with the DCHP client.

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What does your route table look like?

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The interface appears to be working fine, as iwconfig shows it
associated with the AP.  But doesn't seem to be a route to
the hosts you are trying to access, and it may not have DNS either.

I'm not familiar with SuSe, but if you post the output from

   /sbin/route -n

and

   /bin/cat /etc/resolv.conf

it will show what you have.  (Throw in the output from iwconfig
too, so the route table will make sense.)

I'm not sure where the status messages from dhcpcd would be on a
SuSe box, but right after you connect to the AP it might be
interesting to look in /var/log and do a tail on a few of the
more likely logs to see what is there.  /var/log/messages and
/var/log/syslog are good bets.  Post what you find.

--
Floyd L. Davidson           <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@barrow.com

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If you simply _must_ do that, then for heaven's sake, kindly set
Followup-To to point to _one_ group only.  Sheesh.

(Followups have been set.)



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What you are suggesting is nonsense.

Setting followups to only one group when the whole point is to
attract discussion from multiple groups is counter productive.
Note that the post was on topic in the three groups posted to.

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However, when the expected response isn't worth reading, yes it
does have advantages...  Hence I have set Followup-To for this
post as appropriate for your response, which nobody needs to
bother reading.

--
Floyd L. Davidson           <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@barrow.com

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As viewed from alt.internet.wireless, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

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I usually use alt.dev.null for people like Rick.  YMMV.  :)

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Jafo

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    Didn't know that command before -- I'll try it Monday afternoon.

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    That I tried.  Blank, except for a 'search <domain>' that's part of
the Windows workgroup I connect to at work.  When I connect at home,
that gets replaced by the DHCP server's search setting, and my ISP's
nameservers IPs get appended as 'nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx'.

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    Gotcha.

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    Right.  <googles>  Looks like /var/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-eth0.info might
be the location.  Will report back once I've tested it.




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On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:14:07 -0400, Rick Moen wrote:

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look up "usenet etiquette" +"cross posting" on google...


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On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:19:09 +0000, bryan wrote:

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and i think you'll find that cross posting to a few related newsgroups is
acceptable. if you read a cross posted post in one group, it will be
marked as read and won't appear in the other newsgroups if you subscribe
to them... that's if you have a proper newsreader.

cross posting to a lot of unrelated newsgroups is definitely frowned upon.

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He set you up with the followups though.  You didn't override
them, and ended up posting this to only the one newsgroup he
specified, which he doesn't read... :-)

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Another frowned on practice is avoiding cross-posting by
multi-posting (same text posted to more than one newsgroup
separately), *and* so is setting a Followups-To header to
sidetrack responses away from some or all of the readers in a
thread.

(I've restore one extra newsgroup, just for Rick's benefit.)

--
Floyd L. Davidson           <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@barrow.com


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Amazing!  You actually have the gall to quote where I carefully
_disclosed_  setting followups (which I have, of course, done again),
and then in the very next breath accuse me of "setting up" this other
gentlman:  That inconsistency for polemics' sake apparently doesn't
bother you any more than the net-abuse.  Oh well.

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Rick Moen                      my parent process.  Prepare to vi.
rick@linuxmafia.com


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What _you_ are suggesting is cheeky, arrogant, and antisocial.  If
Usenet denizens had wanted all the groups to be joined at the hip,
they'd have stuck to just alt.babble.floyd and not bothered to newgroup
anything else.

But thank you for clarifying your standards of netiquette.

(Followups have been set, again.)

--
Cheers,      "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
Rick Moen     woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers
rick@linuxmafia.com       to kill again."  -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column,
              describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_

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Lacking a logical argument, you resort to gratuitous insults.

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But that *is* exactly why crossposting was added to Usenet in
the second generation of software (it wasn't there to start
with).

Do a little research Rick, *learn* something about it before you
mouth off.

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You've missed the fact that my original post was *precisely*
appropriate per netiquette as described by eveyone who
understands Usenet.

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Again, you've set Followups to the newsgroup *least* appropriate
for the original post.  Like the rest of you post, that's not
smart at all.

--
Floyd L. Davidson           <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@barrow.com

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The merits should be evident to reasonable observers.

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To join all groups at the hip, _and keep them that way_?  I really don't
think so.  

It's (rarely) reasonable to cross-post to two groups; once in a blue
moon to three, but then you set the one best fit for followups.

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My interest was limited to the net-abuse matter; I disregarded your
technical question.  I can't recall seeing you around the SUSE or
networking group, so I assumed you emerged from the wireless one, and
had frankly hoped you'd crawl back there.

But, assuming you do have some technical concern, I'm sure it would be
welcome with a specified follow-up group appropriate to it.  Had you
done so, you would not now be wasting everyone's time with dumbass
attempts to attack the critic.


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As viewed from alt.internet.wireless, Rick Moen wrote:

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So somebody reads it and replies to a different group, thereby
removing his response from the eyes of subsequent readers in the
other groups who may have even better ideas or who may see an
error in the response.  The problem with you netcop wannabes is
that you fail to think an issue through, and instead try to force
everybody into a Procrustean bed with your hard and fast
one-size-fits-all rules.

Now that you've wasted time playing control freak, do you have
anything to say about the subject, which in case you've forgotten
is "No IP assignment at TMobile hotspots" for a guy running SuSE
Linux?  If so, just override my Followups line.  

And if not, then just follow the line's instructions.  :)

--
Jafo

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Oh, poor child, who might actually have to read three groups in order to
participate in three groups.  How tragic.

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...that our orbital mind control rays don't work except in the
imaginations of the theatrically hypersensitive.  Cry me a river, Jafo.  

Follow-ups set, yet again.  


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Too stupid to have an opinion yet determined to have his say,
Rick Moen wrote:

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You missed the point.  What a surprise.

--
Jafo

"The fixed amount of Clue [no doubt created in the Great Renaming]
is getting subdivided into smaller and smaller chunks, until most
places have No Clue At All."  - S. Bellovin


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Say, didn't you allegedly have some sort of wireless problem to solve?
Run along, sonny.

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Cheers,
Rick Moen                      "vi is my shepherd; I shall not font."
rick@linuxmafia.com                               -- Psalm 0.1 beta

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Rick Moen wrote:

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One thing I've often noticed, is that the reply to group is one that I don't
subscribe to.  That means if I want to see any replies to my message, I
have to join a group I wouldn't have otherwise.


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It's been my experience that "pump" works better than "dhcpc" (however
there are setups where "dhcpc" works and "pump" doesn't). I'd default to
using "pump"- I've been browsing on Linux at T-Mobile hotspots for over
two years on Linux.

    -Kenny

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