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On 10/15/19 11:19 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
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Not a big deal when speaking to lay persons.  More of a deal when
speaking to other "experts".

Once again, would you trust a doctor who pointed at your head and kept
saying you had a fractured tibia?

They're both bones.. Who gives a fuck, right?



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Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:33:05 -0700, Johann Beretta wrote:

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Hi Johann,

With respect to colloquial terminology...  

As you can see from the numerous worthless trolls who infested this thread
o That they insist on proving they can't add any technical value whatsoever

It's clear this newsgroup is composed of extremely few of those "experts".
o There's you & Jeff Liebermann who know enough to be considered damn good

Nobody else posted showing anywhere near your current knowledge level
o Not even me - where at least I've used this stuff for years to do this
  <https://i.postimg.cc/vT0Krpfc/laptop-nanobeam-horn.jpg
In order to easily and vastly increase the range of my laptop.

Where the point of this thread was to ask others what distance they get.
o And to also show others how they can EASILY increase their range too

Where that picture shows just one of many ways to bridge their laptop
o Doing something as simple (& powerful) as connecting this to it
 <https://i.postimg.cc/Hs0NWSKr/laptopnanobeam.jpg

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Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:18:12 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

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Dan,

Clearly you and Jeff and Johann know far more than most here, including me,
so here's a basic set of related questions which, I think, the answer to
will edify MANY people on this ng!

WHAT RANGE CAN YOU ENVISION FOR THIS SETUP AT THE FAR CORNER OF A PROPERTY?
o Either just the PowerBeam horn (set up legally) plugged into the laptop:
  <https://i.postimg.cc/vT0Krpfc/laptop-nanobeam-horn.jpg
Or, the entire PowerBeam (set up legally) plugged into a laptop RJ45:
  <https://i.postimg.cc/Hs0NWSKr/laptopnanobeam.jpg
Pointing to, oh, say, this bullet & planar antenna set up near the house:
  <https://i.postimg.cc/SK04C6zL/ubiquiti-bullet-M2-hp.jpg

Assuming, of course, clear LOS, low to no interference, etc. stuff.
o I haven't tested the range, but it works fine for hundreds of feet, Dan.

Do you think it could go much longer LOS, Dan?

The second question is more apropos for JP Gilliver's "cantenna" query:
WHAT RANGE CAN YOU ENVISION FOR THAT SETUP TO A TYPICAL HOME SOHO ROUTER?

The answer to both those questions, would be of use to many I think:
a. How far can the PowerBeam connect to a Bullet (& 15dBi) planar antenna
b. How far can that same PowerBeam connect to a typical WiFi home router?

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The answer to those questions, I posit, will astound some people.

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:24:32 -0600, rbowman wrote:

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I think much of the confusion stems from the fact that we're discussing two
somewhat similar ways to connect an "antenna" to the back of a desktop.

To further clarify what others have been also clarifying, I snapped this
picture, just now, which shows two ways to connect an 'antenna' to the back
of a typical desktop computer (aka "Ethernet" & "Wi-Fi"):
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg

In the end analysis, while the costs are the same, the POWER is
fantastically different, and yet, the result is your typical "Wi-Fi", which
you can verify, for example, using your phone with freely available apps:
<https://i.postimg.cc/25v3FT6S/debug-on-android.jpg

Notice that this desktop has both types of connections:
a. There's a typically puny Wi-Fi "device" attached to this desktop
b. There's a powerful Wi-Fi "device" attached to the desktop RJ45 port

Both cost about the same in terms of both price & setup (which is minimal).
o But only one will be found at a typical consumer-focused box store.

One will get you distances of roughly a few hundred feed (or so).
o While the other will garner distances easily of a few miles (or so).

Just to be clear for those who simply want us to explain tools more simply
o For the price of what people already seem to pay for their home stuff
o They can buy "this stuff" which easily connects to "your stuff"
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img4/yc96C7uYT0bZcOj/18/18_wifi.jpg

Where "your stuff" includes anything you have in the house that
o Connects to what we colloquially refer to as "Ethernet", or,
o Connects to what we colloquially refer to as "Wi-Fi".

Where the main drawback of "this stuff" is
o It's generally a bit larger (but not always) so you need shelf space
o You definitely won't ever find "this stuff" in the normal box stores

So you simply have to KNOW that this kind of power is available to you.
o And then you simply need advice on "what stuff" to purchase online

Where, the elegant beauty of "this stuff" is the sheer simplicity of it all
o One end of "this stuff" is what we colloquially refer to as "Ethernet"
o The other end is what we colloquially refer to as "Wi-Fi".

For example, here is a picture of "this stuff" showing both hose ends:
<https://i.postimg.cc/SK04C6zL/ubiquiti-bullet-M2-hp.jpg
And here is another picture of "this stuff" showing both those ends:
<https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg
Where this pictures shows some of the many shapes & sizes of "this stuff"
<https://i.postimg.cc/YqTk0q1T/ap.jpg

Notice the key colloquial takeaway to explain the immense power here:
o One end attaches to ANYTHING you have that you'd call "Ethernet"
o The other end attaches to ANYTHING else that you'd call "Wi-Fi"

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My contribution to the Usenet potluck is that this power is available to
you, should you ever need it, at about the same price you're paying now,
for box-store equipment which is ten to one hundred times less powerful.

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 04:22:51 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

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Thanks Lewis for helping to clarify, for Lucifer, what's possible, since
Lucifer, like nospam, seems to brazenly & repeatedly deny what the rest of
us know works just fine, even down to denying that decibels are used to
indicate power (where Lucifer & nospam appear to be twins in their ability
to brazenly deny what everyone else already knows to be facts).

To further illustrate switching from Ethernet to Wi-Fi & vice versa,  
this picture graphically shows the mechanical components inherent in this
common and constant switcheroo between Ethernet & Wi-Fi & back:
<https://i.postimg.cc/SK04C6zL/ubiquiti-bullet-M2-hp.jpg

This home-built $50 WiFi-to-Ethernet-and-Ethernet-to-Wifi setup also works:
<https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg

Using the term "modem" for my "transceiver" so people with cable can better
understand, the Internet signal goes from the "modem" inside the house, to
the SOHO router next to the "modem", and then out an RJ45 port on the SOHO
router to this radio & antenna which is outside the house, which either
points back at the house, to "paint" the inaccessible regions of the house
or ...  

Or ...  

You'll notice the antenna is on a loose swivel, which allows me to turn it
around to paint the pool, which is a few hundred feet from the house, where
painting the pool allows cellphones to connect to this AP, where the pool
is too far from the house for cellphones to connect to the SOHO router WiFi
connected to the "modem" inside the house.

In quite a different setup, this similar setup allows a desktop, say one
that is outside, say, in the barn which is too far from the house, to
easily connect back to the WiFi at the house, or, if desired, to a WiFi
access point which can be miles away from this stand-alone desktop PC:
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg

And still get great signal strength of around -55dBm of power:
<https://i.postimg.cc/DZccY2YD/decibels.jpg

In fact, there are so many things you can do with these inexpensive radios,
that I have them scattered all over, since I have plenty of them to play
with to connect anything I want to connect to, if it has Internet and if I
know the security setup keys:
<https://i.postimg.cc/XJChDCPr/spare-access-points.jpg

What's nice, also, is you get great graphics out of the signal strength
debuggers on Android phones, which allow you to ascertain exactly which
access points have the best signal strength in whatever spot you're in:
<https://i.postimg.cc/BZrZpDyp/debug-apps.jpg

Given this all "just works", I'm not sure why Lucifer, who claims to have
been a "communications technician", says it doesn't work, so I appreciate
that Lewis attempted to clarify that the switcheroo between Ethernet and
Wi-Fi and from Wi-Fi to Ethernet ... is so simple ... it just works.

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Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

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The main point is that the radio and antenna are as close together as a
tire is to the wheel ... such that these are colloquially equivalent:
o Aim the radio
o Aim the antenna

Just as these are colloquially equivalent
o Balance the wheel
o Balance the tires

The problem I have with quibbling is that it gains us nothing, and, worse,
the people who quiblle are always the ones who can't add value.

Think about it this way:
o You're on a slippery tile roof, aiming the antenna,  
o And you call down below to the guy on the laptop with the software
o "Did we get to 60 decibels yet"
And ... the guy incessantly argues with you  
o That's it's dBi or dBm... or worse ... that it's minus

The time to quibble is when you're sitting in the classroom.
o We're trying to get something done here

Already Johann Baretta mentioned he owns a WISP where he picks up signals
from San Onofre Visitor Center WiFi from 60 miles away.

That's the kind of range that's possible with this stuff!
(Well, not that much for $100 ... but you get the point).

The value here is that anyone on a computer with an Ethernet port
can extend their range by huge amounts, for less than a hundred bucks.

Since this equipment isn't sold in the normal consumer stores,  
they just have to know that it exists, and what to get, where the
PowerBeams are hard to beat in terms of price/performance but there are
tons of choices depending on what the person wants to do:

a. Do they want to vastly extend the range of their WiFi
b. Or do they paint the furthest reaches of their property
c. Or do they wish to pick up or throw Internet vast distances

All this is possible - for around $100 - if you know how.

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That type of technical value is what people should focus on
(instead of quibbling over meaningless things of no adult value).

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:02:13 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:

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Hi Trader,

Why must you insist on never posting with any purposefully helpful intent?
o The less we challenge you - the more are emboldened to waste our time

The last time you tried to play these silly games, was when I had asked a
specific technical question on choosing, buying, repairing, mounting, &
balancing my own SUV tires at home - where I ignored the fact that then, as
now, you had nothing of value to add to the Usenet potluck where we all
bring to the table what value we can offer each other.

Remember that?
o No?

Well, let me refresh your memory then, OK?
o Did you ever have a batch of tires that just wouldn't seal after the final bead?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/ST-xNgC5pnU/agDaRH_JAgAJ

Do you remember your "added value" then, Trader?
o No?

Well then, allow me to refresh your memory, Trader:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/ST-xNgC5pnU/vkePS4r-AgAJ
Where your purposefully & decidedly unhelpful "help" was, verbatim...
  "Silly me, I just pay $15 a tire to get them mounted and  
   dynamically balanced. No fuss,  no muss..."

Notice you added zero purposefully helpful technical value then...
o As now...  

Where, in that case, don't you think EVERYONE knows that they can simply
pay someone else to debug and fix all their technical problems, Trader?

Do you think that your advice was even slightly helpful, Trader?
O Really?

Let's get back on to this topic of explaining to the members of this
newsgroup that, if they need it, they "can" extend the range of their Wi-Fi
connections, at about the same price they're paying now for "their stuff".

They just need to know what this stuff does for them in terms of power...
o And how this stuff connects, specifically, to their desktop computers.

In a further attempt at being purposefully helpful, Trader, I just snapped
and then carefully annotated this shot of one of my old desktops showing
what a typical desktop owner "can do" in terms of connecting to a Wi-Fi
access point, when running a Cat5 cable to that connection, is infeasible.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg

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My contribution to the Usenet potluck in this thread is to explain what
options are available to the typical home user that they might not know are
available to them, and, better yet, at about the same price they are  
paying now for what is very likely to be far less powerful equipment. If
they NEED the power described here, then (and only then) this is
potentially useful technical information, particularly since this equipment
is NOT found in the typical consumer oriented hardware or electronic box
stores.

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On 10/12/2019 5:34 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
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He_4 has been kind of cranky ever since President Trump was exonerated.

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Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:06:20 -0400, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:

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Hi Grumpy Old White Guy,

I've been on Usenet for as long as anyone here.
o Where I delve into facts as deeply as anyone else does

Hence, I've posted so many helpful tutorials that I long ago lost count of
how many, and while I've posted so many questions and have received so many
helpful responses that I've lost count ....  

Never once have I delved into politics on this newsgroup.

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I can delve deeply into politics; but this isn't the place for it.

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:44:07 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

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Thanks for pointing that out, where almost all my equipment is free, since
people replace their routers and antennas all the time, with new ones. as
specs changed from g, to n, to ac, etc. over the years.

A quick search shows the 23dBm routerboard FCC-ID is TV7R52N, dated to 2009
<https://fccid.io/TV7R52N

So it's likely nearly ten years old, which was before ac routers existed.
o Where everyone should be familiar that WiFi standards changed over time.

I think I already posted the $90 ac equivalent on Amazon, where I'm sure
far better prices can be found if we look a little further on the net.
<https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-RB911G-5HPacD-RouterBoard-911G-5HPacD/dp/B00UH8VWVQ

Notice that, for about the same cost as any typical 15-20 decibel router,  
you get a 5GHz 802.11ac router with a 720MHz CPU with 128MB DDR2 onboard
memory & Ethernet One Gigabit port with Auto-MDI/X Wireless QCA9882, 2x
MMCX connectors, Dual chains, which works anywhere in the world (Mikrotik
is renown for allowing settings for ANY country, where last I checked on
mine, there were literally about 200 different country choices in the
firmware).

The good news from your post is that I am aware you are rather well
educated in Physics, so I'm sure you're appreciative of the phenomenal
power of decibels, where, a quick look just now on one of my routers shows
the EIRP to be around 27 dBM plus around 10 dBi, which gives me roughly
about 37 decibels of transmit power.
<https://i.postimg.cc/DZccY2YD/decibels.jpg

Most people might not need such huge power (which equates to signal
strength at distance, of course), where the key educational technical point
is that this inexpensive equipment costs just about as much as the puny
SOHO routers people put in their homes - where the size of this 23dBm
router connected directly to my desktop computer is actually much SMALLER
than a typical SOHO router (although we need to attach antennas to it, but
they can be of almost any size depending on your distance needs).

In summary, for about the same cost and size of a typical SOHO router, you
can get, literally, miles of distance between your modem or computer, and
the access point.

You just need to know first, that it can be done rather easily, and,  
o Then you simply need to know what equipment to purchase on Amazon

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You will NOT likely find this kind of equipment at a local store.

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On 10/8/19 10:52 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
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Uh.. Yeah.. Your "desktop" isn't connecting to jack squat. You've got
two Ubiquiti radios linked together. An Ubiquiti radio is connected to
another Ubiquiti radio that's a half dozen miles away.

When someone says "my desktop is connected to" the implication is that
you're connecting to something using the built-in wifi of the laptop.
Needless to say, there's no way you'd be making a 6 mile link at 144mbps
 with the 30mw (average) laptop transmitter.  You'd also need 20-30 feet
of elevation to keep the transmitter's Fresnel zones clear.



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Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:44:29 -0700, Johann Beretta wrote:

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Hi Johann Beretta,

Here's a shot of the barn desktop which shows that setup better:
<https://i.postimg.cc/6QJqK6Cj/desktop02.jpg

Notice that barn desktop has no WiFi card; it only has Ethernet.

And yet, it's connected by WiFi using this Mikrotik equipment:
<https://i.postimg.cc/yx4CgWYt/mikrotik-router-config.jpg

Is that barn desktop connected to Wi-Fi over its Ethernet, or not?

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You are astute enough to be worth further detail, as you know what you're
talking about (while others don't, so I simplified things for them).

For you, we can dive directly into the actual unexemplified details.
o Here is a more explicitly detailed set of pictures & screenshots & specs.

My desktop, at this very moment, doesn't even have built-in Wi-Fi, but it
does have built-in Ethernet (and yes, I'm using that term colloquially).
 <https://i.postimg.cc/6QJqK6Cj/desktop02.jpg

This is a shot of the radio configuration that Ethernet is tied to:
 <https://i.postimg.cc/DfQJq437/mikrotikrouter.jpg

The CAT5 out of the desktop connects to a $50 Mikrotik routerboard
 <https://mikrotik.com/product/RB411
o 300MHz CPU, 32MB RAM, 1xEthernet, miniPCI, serial port, RouterOS L3
  
With a 23dBm $50 card plugged into the routerboard's miniPCI slot
 <https://mikrotik.com/product/R52NM
o 2.4/5Ghz miniPCI 802.11a/b/g/n dual chain, 2x MMCX

Whose output is attached to a 15dBi $40 2.4GHz wiregrid antenna:
 <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=GD24-15-NM

Where the signal strength, at this very moment, is about
-40dBm with a Tx/Rx CCQ of about 80%, S/N of about 75dB.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/yx4CgWYt/mikrotik-router-config.jpg

Does this detailed setup look more like what you were expecting to see?

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I live on the top of a mountain, overlooking the Silicon Valley.

If you only knew how many access points I can 'see', you'd be shocked
(I guess the theoretical number could perhaps be in the millions, in fact,
depending on antenna gain & radio sensitivity & noise floor on my side of
course, but I never counted them ... suffice to say it's a LOT).

--  
You seem to have technical value to add; please add it so all benefit.

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On 10/14/2019 11:55 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:

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Very fitting.  You like to look down on people.

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 07:47:16 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

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Since, in this Usenet potluck, we bring our suggestions to share so that
a. Those whose desktops do NOT have WiFi (they only need an RJ45 port)
b. Anyone who needs far greater WiFi range than what they already have

I agree with both Paul & J.P. Gilliver (John) that:
o It's likely more bang for the buck to put a dollar into the antenna dB
o Than to put that same dollar into the radio transmit dB
Although complexities arise when you get to sensitivity & noise immunity.

What would be nice, by way of shared comparisons, if people would note what
the power output is of the current Wi-Fi enabled SOHO router they're using.

As far as I can tell, so far anyway, typical consumer router EIRPs are
orders of magnitude lower than the PowerBeam we've latched onto as our
suggested unit to increase WiFi range for Ethernet-enabled computers.

Can others share what EIRP we can typically attain with $100 home routers?

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Unlikely. I own a wireless ISP (WISP) in Southern California. I've got a
number of Ubiquiti sectors and parabolics on mountain tops. I've picked
up signals (San Onofre Visitor WiFi as one example) from over 60 miles aw=
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Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:10:34 -0700, Johann Beretta wrote:

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Hi Johann Beretta,  

Usenet is a potluck - where everyone brings what value they can, to share.

to that end, I could tell, instantly, that you had more you could share
than most people here (and we already know about Jeff Liebermann, who
happens to live near where I am, who also knows a lot about this stuff).

This is great information that you are fully aware of the WiFi power of the
type of equipment that we've been trying to discuss here as adults.

What brand do you mostly prefer in your WISP business?
o And what specific model of radios?

Here, near where Jeff Liebermann lives (other side of the hill), we all
started with the bullets, and then we trashed them for the nano's, which we
trashed for the 2.4 GHz rockets, and then, finally, we're kind of happy on
the 5GHz rockets.

Less noise for sure.

Since we remove the "old stuff", we end up with a lot of Mikrotik
equipment, but we're mostly Ubiquiti.

How about you?
o What brand/model equipment do you prefer to erect on rooftops, and why?

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I know. I've been using USENET since 1996 or so.. Maybe 1997.. My memory
gets a bit foggy going back that far.

I've also been using computers since 1979.  I'm not a newbie.



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Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:28:50 -0700, Johann Beretta wrote:

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<OT>
Like you, and like most here, I'm no noob to Usenet either.

I started with, oh, I guess Masscomp or SunOS, maybe VAXVMS, where we used
'rn' and 'tin', where, even today, I use "vi" & telnet as my "client".

The point to keep in mind is that trolls have always existed
o Trolls always prove one thing each time they post

All I have to do is point to what they trolls themselves wrote to prove it
o The trolls swarm like gnats at any Usenet potluck to ruin it if they can

Who are the trolls who posted _zero_ value in this thread?

An example of pointing to what these trolls post, look at this:
   "i thought he looked like a fake tit"

Clearly these people did not bring adult value to the Usenet potluck
o Hence, the question, always, is "can" they (is it actually "in" them?)

Think about these facts when we realize how trolls ruin Usenet
o People like Fox's Mercantile can't post a _single_ item of on-topic value
o Even after having posted more than a half dozen times (all worthless)

Even as I haven't responded once to trolls from Fox's Mercantile or djb
o Yet, like cowardly bullies, they insist on their god-given right to troll

What is an adult supposed to do about this infestation of trolls?
o There is always the option to not feed them (which I clearly tried here)
o Yet, that doesn't stop them (Fox's Mercantile _still_ repeatedly trolled)

Over the years, I've realized, all these trolls _can_ do .... is troll.
o They have no adult value to add whatsoever; to any technical topic.

There are, as I see it, two fundamental use models on Usenet:
a. The model I use, which is FAQ style - ask a question & work the answer
b. There's the model the trolls use - post nothing of value - for amusement

Since the trolls like Fox's Mercantile & Ed Pawloski & djb are here for
amusement, there's really nothing an adult can do - since they trolled this
thread, multiple times, even though they were completely ignored.

Nothing can stop the gnats from infesting the Usenet potluck.
o I tried to swat them away (e.g., trader_4); but they keep coming.

There are only two kinds of people who posted to this thread:
o Those who posted technical value with purposefully helpful intent
o And those trolls who prove, by what they post, this is amusement for them

We're having a serious technical conversation, Johann Beretta
o And the trolls are consistently posting their child-like drivel.

The problem, with Usenet, as I see it...
o Is that the trolls insist on proving they have a God-given right to troll

The good part about Usenet, as I see it...
o Is that adults can still share nuggets of useful on-topic tech advice

I appreciate that YOU clearly have adult on-topic technical value to add  
o As do others like Jeff Liebermann who contributes greatly to Usenet

--  
This thread ascertained what range people are getting today, and then we
discussed ways to help obtain vastly greater range (if needed).

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On 10/16/19 6:23 PM, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
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But unlike the rest of us here, you're like a leaky toilet
that just keeps going on and on.


--  
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

Re: Just curious how far your Wi-Fi access point is from your desktop computer
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:17:58 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

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This is where Usenet potluck sharing shows its value:
<https://prd-www-cdn.ubnt.com/media/images/product-features/edgerouter-x-versatile-poe.jpg

So I looked up those suggestions for Mike, where the first Amazon hit was:

$61.84 & FREE Shipping
o Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X Advanced Gigabit Ethernet Routers ER-X 256MB Storage 5 Gigabit RJ45 ports
<https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-EdgeRouter-Advanced-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B00YFJT29C
Where it was interesting, in the picture to see not only a POE in (which I  
have on my switches also), but also a POE out (which is useful as I feel  
good tools should be versatile to fit many situations over the years)
o Marketing: <https://www.ui.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x/
o Specs: <https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf

Here's a review of the EdgeRouter X (aka ER-X):
<https://www.mbreviews.com/ubiquiti-edgerouter-x-review/

The first hit of the ER-X-SFP was this:
$92.99 & FREE Shipping
o Ubiquiti Edgerouter X SFP - Router - Desktop - Black (ER-X-SFP)
<https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Edgerouter-SFP-Desktop-ER-X-SFP/dp/B012X45WH6/

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This is what I love about the idea of coupling a fast but inexpensive  
switch to a separate access point, such as is shown in this picture:
<https://www.mbreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ubiquiti-edgerouter-x-6-1.jpg

Note: You can put that NanoBeam NBE-M5-16 either on the POE out port, or,  
you could put it on ANY port if electricity is near the location of the  
transceiver, where the advantage of the POE out port is that you the  
transceiver can be placed in a location that doesn't have mains power.
  

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The one nice thing about all this Ubiquiti equipment is that they're like  
hammers and screwdrivers, in that whenever you have a need, they seem to be  
versatile enough to do the job well.

I don't have the speed needs that Mike has, but I love plugging "stuff"  
into a switch where, for example, this is a radio I'm erecting outside that  
is connected to a switch inside, which will paint the house from the sides:
<https://i.postimg.cc/YSfBmPkf/dumb-switch-plus-access-point.jpg

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